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ሰላም ግደይ?
HELLO Gidey.
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ከመይ?
How are you?
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ዳሓን ዶ?
How are you?
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ዳሓን ኢና ዳሓን።
We are fine.
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ካብ ብቃደማይ እስቲ ለይነገርካና ነገር ተሓልዩ ዝረሳኣካዮ ምናምን ነገር እንተሓልዩ ዝረሳኣካዮ ምናምን ነገር እኒዮ ዶ ?
Is there anything you have forgotten .....
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እንተሓልዩ ዝረሳኣካዮ ምናምን ነገር እኒዮ ዶ ?
...that you didn’t tell us last time?
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ምናልባሽ እንድዒ ኣዘኩሩኒ...
Maybe....
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ተጠይቁን ድዩ ት ጥያቄ ኣዘክሩኒ ተድልየኩም ተድልየኩም።
I don’t know, Remind me of a question...
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ኣዘክሩኒ ተድልየኩም ተድልየኩም።
..... if you want to ask?
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እቲ ናኣ ቦታ እት ናኣ ኣምልኮ ....
Who is selecting the ...
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.... ቦታ ብመን እዩ ልምረፅ ?
...place to build the church?
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ብዞም ጳጳሳት ድዩ ወይስ ብ ኣቅሽቲ ድዩ ወይስ....
Is that the priests, the bishops, ...
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... ብዚ ሰራሒ ባእሉ ድዩ ብዚ ሕዝቢ ድዩ?
...the contractors or the people?
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ኣይ እሱ ብኣል ሙያ እዩ ልውስኖ እምበይ እሶም ኣምልኮ
No, it is an expert's work
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እሶም ዝፈልጥዎ ኣይኮነይ ዝብል እምነት ኣለኒ
But...
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ናብ በኣል ሞያ እዩ ለማክሩ ንሳቶም
They consult the expert.
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ከዚ እሳቶም ልመርፅዎ ቦታሲ ...
Which place will they choose.
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ከዚ እዚ ናይ ኣምልኮ ቦታ እዚ መምለኪ ቦታ ኢሎም ክሰርሕዎ ልክእሉስ ቲ ቦትኡ ተለይኮነስ ታይ እዩ ስሙ መን እዩ ለብሎ ልክእል እቲ ሰራሒ ባእሉ ክመርፆ ልክእል ?
If not the place, how about who will name the church?
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ዓዲ እዩ ዝመርፆ ት ቀንዲ ቦታ ብግምት ኣብዚ ተዝኮነልና ይብል ግን...
Mainly, the people will select.
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ግን ብዙሕ ግምታዊ ኣፍቲ እውን ኣፍቲ እውን ብዙሕ እዮም ክስታይ ልገብሩ መማረፂ ልገብሩ።
But the expert is the one to decide.
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እሕ
Okay.
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ሐዚ ትመማረፂ ንሳቶም ኣይኮኑይ ልመርፅዎ በኣል ሞያ ከይዱ ኣበይ ክከውን ከምዘለዎ
The expert chooses the place.
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ዘረጋጊፁሉም?
After assuring?
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ኣረጋጊፁ ኣብዚኣ እያ ትከውን ኢሉ እዩ ክውስነሎም ዝክእል እምበይ ንሶም ሱቅኢሎም ብግምታዊ ዝናገርዎ እምበር ክፈልጥዎ ኣይኮነን ስለዚ ።
It is an expert's work but they consult the expert.
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ከመይ ኸ ታይ ዓይነት እምኒ እዩ ይምረፅ?
How? What kind of rock is preferred?
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እምኒ ማ ነቃእ እንተዘይብሉ ኩሉ ክኮንን ድዩ ትእምኒ ግን ትከባቢ ብሙሉእ ትፅንኦ
It should not have cracks. If it has, it will leak from the rain and may collapse.
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ናይ እምኒ ቦታ ኣሎ ናይ ንገዛነት ዘገግል እውን ከውሒ ማለት
It should be carefully studied both at the top and the bottom.
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ክስታይ ነገር ከም ሓሸዋ ኮይኑ መብዛሕቲኡ ናብ ሓሸዋ ገፅ ነብል ክኮን ኣለዎ
Mainly if it is smooth without cracks,it is safe.
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ልእምኒ እውን ለገልግል ተኮይኑ ኩሉ ከዋኒ እዩ
If it is hard rock,it is safe,
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ነቅእ ዘለዎ እውን ክከውን የብሉን ማይ ዝኣተዎ
but there should be no cracks.
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እዚ ነቃእ እንተልይዎ ሕማቅ እዩ ስለዚ ትተመርፂ ቀንዲ
If there is a crack...
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ማይ ዝኣተዎ ክኮን የቡሉን ምክኒያቱ ኣብ ውሽጢ ኣትዩ ሓደጋ ከብፅሕ ይክእል ዩ
it may lead to accidents.
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ብኡ ኣትዩ ድሕር ግዜ ከፈራርሶ ስለዝክእል
The water may enter through the crack and bring down the mountain.
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እሕ
Okay.
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ብላዓላይስ ብታሓታይስ ኩሉ ነገር ኣፅኒእካ
Therefor,first the rock needs study .
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ክስታይ እዩ ክኮን ለለዎ ለምፃፅ ክኮን ኣለዎ ማለት ለማፅ ነገር ክኮን ኣለዎ ዝኮነ ነገረ ዘይብሉ
The rock must be smooth without cracks.
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ተኮይኑ ኩሉ ከዋኒ እዩ ለይከውን የለይ ማለት እዩ
So we need rock like that.
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ታይ ኣይነት ፀገም ክፈጥር ይክእል ት ማይ ማለት እዩ
What kind of problem can the leaking water cause?
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ማይ እማ ብኡ ተኣቲያ ንቱ ብስሩ ናብ ውሽጢ ይኣቱ እሎ ድህር ጊዘ ክዘልቅ እዩ
Water or rain shouldn’t leak through at all.
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እንደገና ግን ት ቦታ ከመቃቅሎ ይክእል ት እምኒ ድህር ጊዘ ማለት እዩ ከፈራርሶ ይክእል እዩ
If it does,then it will leak down and create cracks and may cause a collapse over time.
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ማይስ ጠቅሊሉ ከምዘያቱ እዩ
So,there should be no water leakage.
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ከዚ ቲ ከምኡ ክስራሕ ከሎስ ክሳእ ክንደይ ሜትሮ ክከውን ይክእል
How high do you carve?
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ናበይ?
Where?
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ቲ ላእሊ ሐዚ ጣራ ትብልዎ ሐዚ ና ቆርቆሮ ና ላእሊ ዝና ከውሂ ክፈሓር ተሎ....
How high do you carve towards the top?
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ክሻእ ክንደይ ሜትሮ ክከውን ይክእል ?
How much in meters?
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ሐደ ሜትሮ ድዩ ክልተ ሜትሮ ሰለስተ ሜትሮ?
Is that 1m,2m or 3m ?
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እሱ ትከባቢ እዩ ለፅንኦ ንኣብነት እዚ ሓፂር እዩ ብላእላዩ ክስታይ የብሉን
It depends upon the position of the rock.
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እታ እቅና ባእላካ ኣቂንካ ክንድዚ ይኣክለኒ እዩ ትብሎ
At the beginning, you may carve...
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ክልተ ፈረቃይ ሰለስተ ኢካ ትገብሮ ካብኡ ንላእሊ ክኮን ኣይክእልይ ምክኒያቱ ላእሊ ብራከ የብሉይ
..around 2.5 meters and or 3 meters ..
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ካብ ታሕቲ ኢካ ክትወስድ ዘለካ እምበይ
When you go inside, the height is increased from the bottom.
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እሕ
Ok.
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እሱ ናቲ ከባቢ ናቲ ከውሒ ኣፅኒእካ ክንደይ ይኣክል ውሽጢ እናእተካ ምስ ከድካ ያው ነዊሕ እዩ ት ቦታ እውን እናበረከ ስለዝከድ
First we study the exterior rock.but the interior is high...
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ብቲ ከባቢ ከምቱ ትከባቢ ርኢካ ኢካ ኣፅኒእካ ክትሰርሖ ትክእል ብቱ ከውሒ ቦታ ማለት እዩ
So it is included with the exterior.
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ሓሙሽተ ሽድሽተ ለ ክኮን ይክእልን ድዩ ቲ ናብኡ ንውሓቱ ናብከዚ
can the height be five to six meters?
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ካብዚ ናብቲ ተለይኮነሲ
I don't mean the interior height.
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እዚ ናይ ገርኣልታ ተኮይኑ እኒዮ ገርኣልታ እኒዮ ታቦታት ኣብ ኣበይቲ ጎቦታት እዩ እሱ ዘሎ ሐዚ...
The churches around GERALTA are carved in high mountains...
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እሱ ዋላ ሓሙሽተ ሜትር ተገበርካዮ ምንም ፀገም የብሉን።
and if you make them 5 meters high, there won’t be a problem.
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እሕ
Ok.
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ምክኒያቱ ከም ድላይካ ክትንቀሳቀስ ትክእል ኢካ እሱ
...rather it will be wide .
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እዚ ግን ሓፂር ስለዝኮነ ከም ሕፅረቱ ሪእካ ኢካ ክስታይ ትገብሮ እምበይ ትውስክ ተደሊካ ሐዚ ካብዚ ክታሕቲ እኒየካ ታሕቲ ወስከኒ እዩ ልብል ትቦታ
but here it is relatively low, then if you want....
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ክነውሐልካ ተደሊካ ማለት እዩ ኣንደርግራውንድ ክትገብሮ ትክእል ኢካ
..more vertical space, you can chisel downwards.
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ክንደያናይ እዩ ከዚ ተጠቃሚነቱ ክንደየናይ እኒዎ ማለት እዩ?
How about accessability?
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ከመይ?
What?
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ከምዚ እዚ ኣብ ላእሊ ልስራሕ ሐዚ ቤተክርስቲያንት እኒየው ድ ኣብዚ ኣብ ከውሒ ተፀሪቡ ልስራሕ ለሎ...
Are there a lot of people climbing...
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ክንደየናይ እዩ ሰብ ተጠቃሚነቱ ናብላዓሊእናደየበ ለብለሉ ብዙሕ ሰብ ይድይብ ድዩ ናብ ላእሊ ክስራሕ ከሎ?
to the carved church in the mountain?
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ከመይ ክስራሕ ከሎ ማለት ትጥቅሙ ድካ ቱ
What do you mean by carving? Do you mean the use?
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ሰብ ይግልገለሉ ዶ?
Do the people use the church?
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እወ ብደምቢያ ሓደ ብዙሕ ኣብቲ ጎቦ ርሑቅ ተኮይኑ ት ታቦት እኮ
Yes, they do. People don’t decide not to come since it is ....
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ሓደ ብዙሕ ነዊሕ ደኪምካ ፅድቂ እኒየዎ ደኪምካ እንተ ተሳሊምካ ማለት እዩ
rather they come since it is a blessing when you make an effort to reach the church ...
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ካብኡ ከኣ በፃሕቲ ኣዲ እውን ከምዚ ኣሎ እናተብሓለ ኣየቓርፅይ ሰብ ያው እርሒቁና ኢሉስ ለቓርፆ ኣይኮነይ
and there are tourists coming here.
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እዚ ንምፅላይ ስለዝኮነ ኣብኡ ትብል ተለኩ ደኪምካ ለምፃኣካዮስ ፅድቂ የምፅኣልካ
So, you mean coming here will bring a blessing ?
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እወ ብደንቢ ዓብይ ክስታይ ኣለዎያ
It is a big deal.
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ኣብይ ፅድቂ እዩ ዘለዎ እቲ ድካም ይቆፅሮ
It deserves a blessing since the effort will be counted.
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ከዚ ከመይ እዩ ኣብኡከ ብዙሕ ልሰርሑ ስራሕ ሰባት ልሰርሑ ገለ እኒየው ዶ ለገልግሉ?
Are there people serving at the churches?
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ኣበየናይ?
Which place?
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ኣብኡ እናከዱ
Going to where the churches are?
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ቶም ተ ቤተክርስትያናት ዶ
The churches?
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ሕእ!
Yes.
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መብዛሕቲኦም ኮ ርሑቅ ኮይኑ ብዙሕ ኣይወርዱን
Most of the local people don’t come to the monastery, because it is far away.
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እ!
Okay
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ኣብኡ እናከዱ እዮም ክስታይ ምግቢ ናብኡ እዩ ልከዶም እብኡ ኮዮኖም እዮም ዝፅልዩ ፈለስቲ ዘለዎ ገዳማት ገዳም ተኮይኑ ከምኡ እዩ ብሱሩ
The monks don't come down, but pray there, so the people serve and feed them.
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ኣብኡ ኮይኖም እዮም ክፅልዩ ዘለዎም ኣይወርዱን
...They have to pray in the upper church
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ኣብ ስዕለት ዝኮነ ጉዳይ ተሃልይዎም ቀስ ኢሎም ይወርዱ እምበር ፈለስቲ ዘለዎ መብዛሕቲኡ ከምኡ እዩ ዝስታይ
...But if they have something to do they can come out.
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ገና እዞም ለይገዳማት ለይኮኑ ኣናእሽተይ እሸላት ተኮይኖም ግን
But, if they are novices,
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ብዙሕ ኣይኮኑን ያው ላከደ እዩ ሰብ ለገልግሎም
people go there to serve them.
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ምንም ዓድካ እንድሕር ተመሓቲዮም ወለዶም ለፅኑሑልካ ተኮይኖም ከምኣ እያ።
It is known because it is ancient tradition.
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ከመይ እዞም ልሰርሑ ከ ፍቃደኛታት ከዚዞም ልሰርሑ ለገልግሉ እኒየው ዶ ሓደ ከዚ ትሰርሑ ተለውስ
Do they serve voluntarily or do they get paid?
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ብፍቃደኝነት ድዮም ልሰርሑ ወይስ ክክፈለና ኢሎም እዮም ልሰርሑ እዚ ክፀርቡ ከለው ወይስ ፅድቂ ነግኒ ኢና ኢሎም ምፀርቡ ልጅምሩ?
How about those who are carving the church, are they carving for blessing?
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ቶም ናይ ቀደም ፃዲቃውያን እዮም ነይሮም ፈለስቲ እዮም ተኣኪቦም ይበሓል ብታይሽሙ እዞም ፈለስቲ ተኣኪቦም እሶም እዮም ልሰርሑዎ እሶም ንክፀደቁ ኢሎም እዮም ታኣሽሙ ዝገብርዎ
Previously, the monks did it for blessing.
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እዞም ብሳንቲም ግን እዚ ከማና ልበለ ማለት እዩ
But now it is for money.
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ከምዚ ገይርካ እወ
Yes.for money.
እዚ ናይ ሎሚ ዘሎ ግዚ
Now currently?
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ከዚ ቆልኣ ሒዝካ ከመይ ትገብር ምንም ክትገብር ኣይትክእልይ ሰሪሕካ ቆልኡ ታይ ተብልኦም እምበር
If you have children, you have nothing to do but you have to work and get paid.
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እኒየው እዮም ፈለስቲ ከምኡ ኣይነት ዝሰርሑ ሱቅ ኢሎም ዋላ ሐዚ እውን እለው እዮም
Even now there are some monks...
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ሐዚ ፈለስቲ እንየው እዮም ዳርጋ ናብ እዚ እንዳ ማሪያም እፅውቶ ልበሓል
...around the place Maryam Etseweto who work for blessing.
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ፈለስቲ እኒየው አእፅውቶ ትባሃል ነይራ ኣብዚ
Yes, Maryam Etseweto.
ዳማርያም እንታይ?
St. Mary's?
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ኣብዚ ኾይንካ ይረአ እዩ
You can see it from here.
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ኣበይ ከባቢ?
Around where?
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ኣብዚ ዝ እንዳ ጽዮን
Around TSION.
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ማርያም እፅው ቶ?
Maryam ETSEWETO?
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ዝበሓል ሐዚ ፈለስቲ እኒየው ዝብለካ እለኩ ሐዚ ብቃደማይ ልሞተ ስብኣይ ሓው እኒዮ ፈላሲ ሓደ
There are monks there. It h has been two years since work commenced.
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እንደገና ት ልሞተ ኮይኖም ጀሚሮምዎ ሐዚ ብዙሕ ስራሕ እኒዮ ገፊሕ ኮይኑ ዳርጋ ክልተ ኣመት ክዛኣ ልገበረ እኒዮ
It is now wide. One monk died there and there is another who succeeds him.
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ኸዚ?
Now?
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ስሙ መን ድዩ ዝበሓል እዚ ?
What is its name?
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ኣየናይ?
Which one?
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እዚ ፈላሲ ዝበልካዮ?
What is the name of the monk the one’s you mentioned?
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ፈላሲ ሐዚ ት ዝሞተ
Monk? The one who died.
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ት ለሎ ባ ?
The one who is living?
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መርጌታ
MERGETA.
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መን ዩ ሽሙ እንድእሉ ጠፊኡኒ ብዙሓት እዮም ሐዚ ኣንሽቲ እኒየዋ...
I forget his name; there are a lot of them.
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እሕ
Ok.
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ተን ፈለስቲ ብዙሓት እዮም በቃ ኣእዱግ እኒየዎም ቀልለብ እናለመኑ ካብ ከተማ ካብ መቀለ ግዛእ ብዙሕ እናተንቀሳቀሱ
There are nuns and they have donkeys and they beg for alms around Mekelle....
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ናይ ቀለብ ልእክብ እኒዮ ናይ ቅርሺ እኒዮናይ ፀብሒ ልበይኑ ንንባእልቶም እዮም ልልምኑ
And other places.
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ቲ ልሰርሕ ሰብ ባ?
The workers?
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ቲ ልሰርሕ ሰብ ካብዚ እናከደ ሰራሕተኛ ባእልትና ኢን ንከድ ካብዚ ንከድ
They are from here.
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እሕ ናብኡ?
For that place?
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ካብዚ ንከድ ማለት እዩ።
Yes.
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ናብዚ ማሪያም እፅውቶ ?
For Maryam ETSEWETO?
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እወ እሶም ታይ የተኣቅካክቡ ግን ቀለብን ቅርሺን ብሙሉኡ ኣተኣካኪቦም ኣፍቲ ከባቢ ማለት እዩ
Yes, they are building the church....
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ስለዚ የዘጋጅዩሉ ቅርሺ እውን የዘጋጅውሉ ከምዚ እናገበሩ እናንቀሳቀሱ ይሰርህዎ እለው ።
...by begging for alms.
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ቲ ፈላሲ ዋና ኣብኡ ኮይኑ ለብሎ የንቀሳቅሶ እሎ ማለት እዩ ?
The head monk is then coordinating?
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የንቀሳቅሱ ኣለው ሓደ ሓሙሽተ ሽድሽተ ፈለስቲ ዝኮኑ እለው።እዚኦም ማሕበር እዮም ።
There are around five to six monks; they are associates.
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ኣብ ባእሉ ድዮም ልነብሩ ወይስ
Do they live there?
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ኣብ ባእሉ እዮም ልነብሩ እሳ ይውድእዋ ኣብ ካሊእ ከባቢ ወዲኦም ድዮም መፂኦም
They live there in the church till they finish it up.
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እሕ
Okay.
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ሐዚ እቶም ሰራሕተኛ ካብኣ ኢና ልከዱ ካባና ይፅውእዎ ሐዚ እሳቶም ግን እናተንቀሳቀሱ ኣብ ካሊእ ወዲኦም ብዚከባቢ መቀሌ ከባቢ ብኡ ሓሊፍካ ኣሎ ወዲኦምዎ እዮም።
Even before this they completed one . . .
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ሓደ ቤተክርስቲያን እዚ እውን እዚ ጀሚሮም ኣብ ምውዳእ ገፅ እኒዮ ።
...around Mekelle.
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ሐዚ ቲ ቤተክርስቲያንሲ ምብራቅ እዩ መብዛሕቲኡ ግዘ ገፁ ልገብር እቲ እንትርኣ ተሎ ወይ ትነኻል ገለ ትኮን ከሎ ንምንታይ እዩ እሱ ?
Most of the time the churches face towards the east. Why is this then?
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ንምብራቅ ከምዚ ቲ ሰብ ናበይ ድዩ ልሰግደሉ ናብቲ ልሰግደሉ እዩ ዝገብር ልኮነ ነገር ,,,
Yes, it is to the direction of bowing.
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እሕ
Okay
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ገፁ ገፁ እዩ ሐዚ እቲ ታቦት መቅደስ ናበይ ድያ ትገብራ መወዳእቲኡ ተሰጊርካ ብላእሊ ገፅ ምብራቅ እዩ ልግበር።
You should situate the sanctuary facing east everywhere, in the direction of the congregation’s bowing.
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ከምኡ እዩ ኣገባብኡ ናብቱ ልሰግደሉ ሐዚ ብዚ ሰሪሕካስ
That's the rule.
ስለዚ ታቦት ስለዝኮነ ...
So, that's because of the tabot . . .
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ብዚ ሰሪሕካ ብበይ ይእዝዘካ ብልየው እዩ ልእዝዘካ ብምብርቅ ገፅ ናፍቲ ሰብ ልሳለመሉ ሐዚ መቅደስ ብኡ ስለዝኮነ ታቦት ብኡ ስለዝኮነ ማለት እዩ።
Since the tabot and sanctuary is in that direction.
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ኣብዝኮነ ቦታ ከምኡ ኢካ ትሰርሕ።
So you have to work like that.
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ሐዚ ክትሰርሕ ከለካ እስካ ከስ ምስቲ ሕብረተሰብ ተነጋጊርካ ዲካ ከምኡ ተብሎ ወይስ ዝወፀ ሕጊ እኒዮ እዩ በቃ ግዴታ እዩ ከምኡ ክኮን ደለዎ ?
When you build it like this, is it the result of consulting the society or is there a rule? Is it then a must?
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ባእ ብሱሩ ከምኡ ጌይረ ሰሪሐ ኣረኪበዮ ከ ከመይ ገይሩ ክቅበለኒ ት ኣዲ እውን ኣይቅበለኒን ከም ሓዲሽ የፍርሶ ?
If you don't do it the way the people want, they will not accept it.
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እሕ
Okay.
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ኣይኮንን ላበይ ከምሰግድ ላበይ ክተስግደና ይብለካ ብስሩ።
The society won’t accept. They say "make it face the direction to which we bow"
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ንላእሊ ገፅ ዶ ኮነይ ልሰግድ።
Because the direction of bowing is to the east.
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እወ።
Yes.
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ሐዚ ናብኡ ኢካ ትገብሮ እምበር ሐዚ መቅደስ ብቲ ካሕናት ከምዚ ትገብሮ ታቦት መቅደስ ከዓ ንላእሊ ገፅ ይኮን
The interior arrangement is known before work starts.
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ከምኡ እዩ ት ስነስርዓት ት ኣገባብሩኡ
It is a known and formal thing.
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ሐዚ መንመን እዮም ልነጋገሩ እለው ማለት እዩ ሐዚ እቲ ቦትኡ ንምምራፅ . . .
With whom do you make the contact to determine the placement ...
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ሳይዙ ንምምራፅሲ መንመን ይነጋገሩ መንመን ተነጋጊሮም እዮም ልፈጥርዎ ?
and the size of the church?
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እሱ ዓዲ እዩ ባእሉ ዓዲ ዘቲዮም በኣልቶም ከምዚ ንሓስብ እለና እሞ ታይ ይምሰልካ ዕዲ እዩ ክፈልጥ ዘለዎ ።
The society will consult and decide.
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እወ።
Yes.
ሐዚ ት ዓዲ መጀመሪያ ማለት እዩ ?
Then it means the people at first ?
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እወ።
Yes.
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ግን ቦታ እና ሳይዙ ከ መን እዩ ልውስኖ ?
Then in the end who is going to determine the placement and the size of the church??
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ት ቦታ በዓል ሞያ እዩ ልውስኖ በዕል ሞያ ብኣበል ጌይሮም ይወስድዎ።
The expert is going to determine and get paid.
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ት ቦታ?
The place?
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ንኣና ብኣበል ጌይሮም ይወስድዎ ኣብ ወርቅኣምባ ከይደ ሐዚ ቦታ ሪኣ ሰሪሖምዎ ዶ ኣይሰርሑዎይ እምበይ. . .
For example, once they took me to around WERK AMBA as an expert and paid me.
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ሐደ ቦታ ዝርኣኩሎም ኣሎ ዳ መድሓኒኣለም ዝበሓል።
Around MEDIHANI ALEM church...
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እሕ
okay.
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ንኣ ቦታ ኣብለልና ሪኣልና ኢሎም ልወሰዱኒ ካብዚ ብኣበል እኒየው ።
They consulted with the society.
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ሐዚ ከምኡ ማለት እዩ እዚ...
of course,
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ምስ ኣዲ ውድኡ ይማረፁ ኮሚቴ ይማረፁ ማለት እዩ ምስ ዓዱ ወዲኦም ዘቲዮም ስለዚ ት ቦታ እሳቶም ብዙሕ ከባቢ እዮም ልጥቁሙ...
They chose many possible locations for the building of the church.
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ት ዓዲ ብልጥእሞ ንምስላም ሐዚ ኣፍቲ ልነበርኩዎ ዓዲ ት ዓዲ ኣብዚ ይኩነልና ብልቀረባ ኣይንሓድግይ ይዋጠጡ እዮም።
Mainly ,the people choose the location around where they live.
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ድሕሪኡ ተዋጢጦም ሓደ መርገፂ ኣብዚ ይኩነልና ማእከላይ ይብል ት ሕዝቢ ስለዚ ት ሕዝቢ እንተፎትዩ. . .
Then finally the people decide the best location.
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መማረፂ መን ይወስድ ትክከውን ለሎ ከኣ በኣል ሞያ መፂኡ . . .
After that the expert selects the good geological location.
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ግን ሐዚ ት በኣል ሞያ እዩ ቦታን ት ሳይዝ...
Then it is the expert who is the one to decide the placement and size ?
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እወ በኣል ሞያ በየናይ ትከውን ናበይ ገፃ ትከውን ት ቦታ ታይ ኣይነት እዩ ኣይፈልጡን ማለት እዩ ንሳቶም።
Yes, the expert.
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ንምንታይ እማ ኣብኡ ለይሰራሕካይ ኣብኡ መድሓኒኣለም ወሲዶሙካ እናሓለዩ ?
Why didn't you work there at the time they took you to MEDIHANI ALEM church?
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ሰብ ሙያ እኒየሙዎ እዮም ጥራሕ ት ቦታ ከርእዮም እምበር ንምስራሕ ኣብዚ ሒዘን ስለዝፀንሑ ።
It was not suitable for me. I had already started here. They also have experts there.
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እሕ
Okay.
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ኣይጠኣመኒን ስለዝበልኩ ።
They took me to determine the placement.
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መን ካብኡ ቲ ቤተክርስቲያን ከ ምን እዩ ዲዛይን ለውፅኦሎ ?
Who is designing the church?
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ዲዛይኑ የውፅእዎ ንሳቶም እያ ባእልካ ኢካ ተውፅኦ እምበር ንሶም ኣየውፅኡ ዲዛይን ።
You will design it yourself; they don’t design.
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ካብ ባእልካ።
Yourself.
ንሳቶም በቃ ስርሐልና ጥራሕ ?
Then, they want you only to carve it?
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እወ ከምዚኣ ጌርካ ናይ ካልኦት ቤተክርስቲያን ከይዶም ይርእዩ ኣፍተን ታይ እዩ ሽሙ ዘንየዋ ናይ ቀደም . . .
They visit other churches
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እሕ
Okay
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ሐዚ ካብኣተን ሪእካ ከምዚኣ ጌርካ ስርሐልና ኢሎም ቦታቦታ የርእዩካ ታ ቤተክርስቲያን ታ ዝደልይዋ ማለት እዩ።
And will tell you to build it the same as the churches which they have visited.
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ከመይ ከምዚኣ ሪእካ ማለት?
How?
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ከምዚኣ ሜትሮ እዚኣ ሜትሮ እውን ከምኣ ጌርካ ዲዛይና እውን ከምዚኣ ጌርካ ስርሐልና ይብሊካ ከምኣ ጌርካ ተስርሐሎም ማለት እዩ ይመርፅዎ እዮም ከይዶም ።
Thay want to build the same size and the same churches which they have visited.
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ሐዚ ናብኡ ወሲዶም ተርእዩካ ከለው ከዚ እዚኣ ከምዚ ጌርካ ክብሉ ከለውስ ኩል ጊዜ ከም ቀስተደመና ድዩ ተግኒስ ከም ሰረገላ ካብ ክልቲኦም ሓደ ድዮን ወይስ ካልእ ለ እኒዮ እዩ?
Then, after they show you the church, do you build like KESTEDEMENA or SEREGELA or is it from one of them or is there another?
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መብዛሕቲየን እሰን እየን ዝፀንሓካ ናይ ቀደም እንተዘይኮይነን ልበለፀ ባእልካ ክትውስከሉ ትክእል ኢካ ዲዛይን ካብ ባእልካ ምውሳክ ይከኣል እዩ ዝደለካዮ።
You will find it mostly like KESTEDEMENA and SEREGELA.
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እሕ።
Okay.
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ግን ተን ዝፀንሓካ መብዛሕቲኣን ከም ቀስተደመና ሰረገላ እየን ዝፀንሓካ ።
But you can modify the design.
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እሺ።
Okay.
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ከመይ እዩ ግን ኣየንኡ ይበዝሕ ቀስተደመና ዶ ይበዝሕ ቲ ሬክታንጉላር ይበዝሕ ክትረክቦ ከለካ ?
How is it then? Which one is more common, the rainbow or the rectangular shape?
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ቲ ሰረገላ ?
The SEREGEL A one ?
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ከም ምርጭኡ ቀስተደመና እዩ ልፀንሕ መብዛሕቲኡ ግን ።
Mostly, it is the KESTEDEMENA (rainbow) type.
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ታይ እዩ ልፀንሕ?
Which one?
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ቀስተደመና እዩ ልፀንሕ መብዛሕቲኡ ግን ቀስተደመና እዩ ልፀንሕ ሐዚ ቶም ቀስተደመና ልበሓሉ ተም ኣምዲ ሸውኣተ ኣምዲ ልበሓሉ እኒየው ተውፅኦ ማለት እዩ ተር እዮም ልብሉ ከምዚኦም ትሰርኦም እዚኦም. . .
Mostly, it is KESTEDEMENA; it has seven pillars. You have to tell them that that is how you are going to do it.
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እሕ
Okay
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ቀስተደመና ልበሓሉ ኣፍቲ ደገ ብሙሉኡ ኩሎም ማለት እዩ ሓንቲ ረጊፅካ ሓንቲ ክትኣቱ ብቀስተደመና ብሙሉእ ከምቲ ብሙሊኡ ዲዛይን ትሰርሖ ማለት እዩ።
Some are carved like SEREGELA; it is straight.
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እቲ ሰረገላ እተይሉካ ከኣ ብሰረገላ ልስራህ እኒዮ ሱቅ ኢሉ ሙሉእ እዩ ልመፅእ ከምዚ ተር ልበለ ማለት እዩ ከምዚ ልሕፆ እዩ ኣይጥወይ ሰረገላ ማለት ከምኡ እዩ ።
SEREGELA doesn’t curve; the lines are straight.
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ታይ ኣይነት ታይ እዩ ስሙ ሐዚ ብናይ ባእልካ ተደሪካ ዲዛይን ክትውስክ ኢካ ኢልካኒ እወ ዶ ?
You said that you can modify it based on your own design.
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Yes.
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ታይ ኣይነት ዲዛይን ታይ ኣይነት ዲዛይን ንምሳሌ
For example, what kind of design?
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ኣብነት ዲዛይን ኣብኡ ክትሰርሖ ከለካ ኣብዞም ከምቲ ኣብቲ ርኢካዮ ዘለካ ሐዚ ፅላል ድራር ነገር ክትሰሕ ትክእል ።
For example, you can see there you can add a shade ...
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ፅላል እውን ክትገብሮ ትክእል ኣምፑል ነገር እውን ክትሰርሖ ትክእል ኣብ ሞንጎ ።
and carve a lamp in between.
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ክቢ ጌርካ ?
Circular?
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እወ።
Yes.
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ሓዚ ስዕሊ ናይ ታቦት ኣምሲልካ እውን ካብኡ ቅርፂ ንኣቀብ ታይ ሽሙ ማለት እዩ ብናይ ባእሉ ።
You can carve a shape looking like the tabot.
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መስቀል ነገር ገለ ድዩ ?
Oh, you mean like a cross?
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እወ መስቀል ትገብረሉ ስዕሊ ጌርካ ክተውፅእ ትክእል ኢካ ዝደለካዮ ማለት....
Yes, if the rock is not rough and brittle,..
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እስካ ብከምዚ ክሰርሃ እየ እንተይልካ ከዚ ኢካ ይስርሐልካ ትከውሒ ምንም ኣይኮነይ ማለት እዩ።
You can carve a cross. There is suitable red rock on which you can carve what you want.
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Okay
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ደረቅ እንተዘይኮይኑ ልፈራረስ እንተዘይኮይኑ ከምዚ ኣይነት እንተዘይኮይኑ ቀይሕ እኒዮ ንብነት ፅቡቅ ከውሒ እኒዮ ።
If it is not soft rock,like red rock, you can carve what you want.
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እዚ ኣጋጣሚ ሓርፋፍ ኮይኑ ኣመቺ ኣይኮነይ እምበይ ቀይሕ ፅቡቅ ኮይኑስ ስዕሊ መጨረሻ ከም ፅሕዲ ነገር ልመስል ነገር እኒዮ እዩ ።
Unfortunately, this one is rough and not suitable.
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ሐዚ ከምኡ ኣይነታት ልደለካዮ እዚኣ ክሰርሕ እየ እንተይልካ ክትሰርሖ ይከኣል እዩ
You can carve whatever comes to mind.
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ሓዚ ገርኣልታ ዘሎ ቀይሕ ከውሒ ድዩ ገርኣልታ ዘሎ ?
Is the rock in GERALTA the red one?
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Yes.
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እዚ ኣብዚ እኒዮ ፃዕዳ እዩ
The rock in here, this one is white.
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እዚ ሓርፋፍ እዩ ፃእዳ እዩ ሓሸዋ ነገር እሱ ግን ቀይሕ ፅቡቅ እዩ ኣመቺ እዩ ንዝኮነ ።
This one is rough and white but that one is red and suitable.
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ከመይ እዩ እዚ ናይ መሬቱ እና ቁመቱ መን እዩ ልውስኖ ?
Who will decide the ground height? And how?
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What?
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ት ና መሬት ቁመት እና ንውሓቱ ከመይ ይውሰን መብዛሕቲኡ ግዘ ?
Who will decide the ground height? And how?
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መብዛሕቲኡ ብላዕሊ ወሲንካ ኢካ ትኣቱ ኩሉ ነገር ስራሕ ብእምኒ ተኮይኑ ዋላ ብእምኒ ትሓመድ ኣይተውፅኦይ መወዳእታ እዩ ልወፅእ ።
Most of the time you simply carve it.
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መወዳእታ ብሙሉኣን እዚኣን ወዲእካ መሳልል ከይትገብረሉ መሳልል ኣይጥእምይ።
Eventually, you get rid of the debris from...
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ምክኒያቱም ጉንታ ልውቃእ እኒዮ ናይ ጉልበት ግዛእ ኩሉ ነገር ምስወዳእካ እዚ ወዲኣ እየ ኢልካ ኢካ ብድሕሪኡ . . .
...carving after finishing it up.
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ት ሓመድ ተውፅኦ?
You take away the debris?
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ሓመድ ተውፅኦ።
We take away the debris.
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እወ።
ኣብኡ እናደየብካ ኢካ ትሰርሖ ኣብዚ ሓመድ ?
You will build it on the ground?
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ትሓመድ ሱቅ ኢሉ መወዳእታ እዩ ልወፅእ ።
Yes, the debris will be cleaned out when work is finished.
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ክስታይ ይግበር ከም ዓዲ ስዋ ፀሚቆም ብደምቢ መዓልቲ እናገበሩ መዓልቲ እናገበሩ ክወፅእ ይገብርዎ ማለት እዩ።
And if [the ceiling] is low, you can carve out the floor to create additional height, and the community brews SIWA (traditional beer)
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ብድሕሪኡ ገለ እለካ ነገር እንተሕፂሩካ እውን ካብ ምድሪ ትውስክ ተስተካክል።
For the workers cleaning out...
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መወዳእታ ግዛእምዛእ ትቀራርፅ ኣብ ታሕታይ ዘሎ ማለት እዩ ብድሕሪኡ ተረክብ ።
...the debris from the carved rock.
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ብዚ ኢካ ትውድእ ።
You finish like this.
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መብዛሕቲኡ ግዘ ዝስራሕ ከዚ ኦርጂናል ድዩ ወይስ ኮፒ እዩ ልስራሕ ከምዚ ክስራሕ ከሎ ን ኣና ስርሐልና ክብሉ ከለው?
Is [the church] an original or a copy?
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ኦርጂናል እዩ እሱ ኮ ፅቡቅ ስራሕ ኢካ ትሰርሕ ።
It is original.
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ኩልሻእ መፀውኢ
To dedication.
ኦርጂናል ክብለካ ከለኩ ሐዚ ንኣ እዚኣ ስርሕልና ድዮም ዝብሉካ ወይስ ብናይ ባእልካ ስርሐልና ድዩ ወይስ ከምዚኣ ጌርካ ስርሐልና እዮም ልብሉካ ?
What I mean by original is do you make it on your own or do they tell you how to make it or show you how they want it made?
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ሱቅ ኢልካ ብታ ና ባእልካ ብትፈልጣ ከዚ ኣይነት እዮም ብልበለፀ ቦታ ተረእዩካ እሞ ዝደለይዋ እሳቶም ትልሰርሑዋ ታ ተመርፂት እሳ እያ ።
You can build it on your own way, but you would rather build it according to their own preference.
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እሕ።
Okay.
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ምክኒያቱም ትየናይ ዓዲ ይሕሸኩም?
You can choose the church they want for them.
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ሐዚ እተን ቤተክርስቲያናት ወይ ብ ና ኣጎዛ ወይም ብዝኮነ ተምፆም ትክእል ኢካ ኬድካ ትክእል ኢካ።
If they want you to do it your way, you can do it. . .
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ብናባእልካ ስርሐልና ፅቡቅ ጌርካ ቀስተደመና ወይ ድማ ሰረገላ እንተይሎምካ ግን ብናባእልካ ፅቡቅ ጌርካ ።
well, either KESTEDEMENA or SEREGELA.
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ብናባእልካ ብናባእልካ ።
They say do it yourself.
መንዮም ይበዝሑ ኣየንኡ ይበዝሕ ከምዚኣ ግበረልና ዝብል ድዩ ልበዝሕ ወይስ ብናባእልካ ስርሐልና ዝብል ?
Which one is more common, according to their preference or left to your choice?
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መብዛሕቲኡ እማ ክርእዩ እለዎም ምክኒያቱም ከምታ ልደለይዋ ምእንት ክትኮነሎም . . .
Mostly, they visit other alternative churches...
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ሕዚ ከምዚማ ከም ናይ እከለ ኣይኮነይ ስለዝብሉካ . . .
and tell you to build it like that.
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Yes.
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ተመራፂ ከርእዩካ እለው ሐደ ታቦት እሞ ከምዛ እዚኣ ስርሐልና እንተይሎምካ ታ ፅብቅቲ
Unless they tell you to build it your way, there are consequences...
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ምክኒይቱ ከምኣ ጌርካ ትሰርሐሎም ሜትራ እውን ብኣ መሰረት ካልኣ እውን ብኣ መሰረት ሳልቲ የብላን ብኣ መሰረት ከምኡ እዩ ፅቡቅ።
because even if everything is well done, they will tell you something has been missed.
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ብና ባእልካ ስርሐልና እንተይሎም ፅእንቶ ይገብሩልካ እዮም ወላ ለይጎደላ እናሓለወ እውን እዚኣ ጎዲላታ እኒያ እዚኣ ፀቢባ እያ እዚኣ ገፊሃ እያ ክብሉካ እዮም።
You have to follow the rock,
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ሐዚ ብግምታዊ ትሰርሖ ፅቡቅ ኣይኮነይ ።
it can be 12 or 15 meters deep.
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ናይና ኣየርኡናይ ታሕቲ ብግምታዊ ኢና ሰሪሕና።
This one [my house], I carve it myself.
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ሐዚ ትከባቢ ይእዝዘካ 12 ዘይመፅእ እኒዮ 15 ሜትሮ ኮይኑ እውን ት ከባቢ ይእዝዘካ እዩ ።
You have to follow the rock.
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ታ ልፀንሐትካ መሰርት ኢካ ክትሰርሕ ትክእል ት ከውሒ እያ ትእዝዘካ ማለት እዩ ።
Because the foundation is the rock.
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ሐዚ ክትሰርሕ ከለካ ሐዚ ፕላን ሐዚ ብናባእልካ ስርሐልና ክብሉካ ከለው ሐዚ. . .
When you do it either your way or copying from another place,
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ካብ ባዕልኻ ኢኻ.ካብ ርእሰይ እየ ዝሰርሖ.
It is in one's head.
ከምቲኣ ስርሐልና ክብሉ ተለው ሐዚ ከምዛ ኮፒ ጌርካ ስርሐልና ክብሉ ከለው ሐዚ ስዕሊ ኣብ ምንታይ ተውፅኦ ኣብ መሬት እዩ ትስዕሎ ወይስ ኣብ ወረቀት ድዩ ትስዕሎ ወይስ ብ ዓይንካ ኢካ ትሪኦ ።
how do you draw the design? Do you do it on a piece of paper or on the ground or do you keep it in your heart?
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እስካ ኣይትፍለን ቅኔ ማህሌት ዝበሓል እኒዮ ሐዚ ቅኔ ማህሌት ኢካ ትሓውስ ።
You should not separate... there's something called the qene mahalet...
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ሓደ ብልየ ርኣቱ ክልተ እውን ብቲኣ ይኣቱ ሐዚ ታይ ይኮን ክልቲኦም ከመይ ኢሎም ይወፁ. . .
To one you should enter this way and the other two this way...
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ቶም ክልተ ብዚ ይወፁ እለው ቅነ ማህለት ብሓደብሓደ ይሓውስዋ።
the two should come this way and join the qene mahalet.
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ሐዚ ከመይ ገይርኻ ኸ ብዓይነይ ይጥቀም ኢልካ ዶ ትቁመቱ ንውሓቱ ገለ ኸ ከመይ ትጥቀም ሐዚ ካብዚ ናብዚ ሓደ ሰለስተ ሜትሮ ክኾን ይኽእል እዩ ?
As you said that you measure it by sight, then how about the height?
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ብዓይንኻ ዲኻ ትሪኦ ወይስ መኣቀኒ ትጥቀም ኢኻ ልኡ ?
Do you use a measuring device? Or is it by sight?
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ዓይጋገዩይ ቶም ክልተ ሕዚ ልሕዙዋማ ሐደ ዓይነት እያ ትኾን እዚኣ እኒያ ሐቀይ ዶ
The workers don't make mistakes. The measurements are equal.
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እዚኣ ሐዚ ተር ኢሉ መገዲ ምዓልቲ እዩ ልኸድ እስኻ እውን እናረአኻ ሃየ ጎኒ ተጠንቀቅ ንዓ እናርኣኻ ንጎኒ ትኣቱ እለኻ እናበልካ ኢኻ ትኸድ ።
The worker follows my instructions. He follows the first step ...
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ሐዚ ትሓደ ብዚኣ ዶ ኾነይ ልኾን ኸዚ እዚኣ መእተዊታ እኒያ ሓቀይ ሓደ ብዚኣ እዩ ልኸድ ሓደ ብዚኣ እዩ ልኸድ ንሱ ታ ልኸዳ ኣሎ እናዐረያ እዩ ልኸድ ።
and the next man continues by making adjustments.
እወ።
Yes.
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እናስተኻኸለ
Adjustments.
እወ።
Yes.
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እሳ ፅቡቅቲን ዳያ ትብላ ዘለካ ሐዚ?
What you are saying is good.
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ግን እቲ ከምኡ ጌርካ ስራሐልና ዝብሉካ ተኮይኖምሲ . . .
But when they tell you to build it as a copy . . .
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ካፍቲ ገዛ እሱ ትክክለኛ ነገር ኣምሲልካ ንምስራሕ ተኮይኑስ ካብዛ ገዛ. . .
As a copy of another church...
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ካብዛ ስርሐልና ዝተብሃልካዮስ ቤተክርስቲያንስ ሐዚ ቁመታ ሰለስተ ሜትሮ ስርሐልና ተኢሎምካስ ዛ ሰለስተ ሚትሮ . . .
if they want you to build it 3 meters high, do you measure 3 meters ...
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ትእቅና ዲካ መጀመሪያ ።
Do you measure.. .
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ኣይእቅንይ።
No, I don't measure.
ቅድሚ ምስራሕካ ።
before you commence building?
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እናሰራሕካ ኢካ ትእቅኖ ።
I measure it when building is ongoing.
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እዛ ዝተሰርሐት ቤተክርስቲያን እባ ትእቅና ዲካ?
Do you measure the built church from which you are going to copy?
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ኣይትእቀንይ ታ ትእቅና ብበረኻ ዶ ኾነትይ ኾኽሒ ዶ እኒኣ ።
You do not measure it.
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በበይ ዲኻ ትእቅና ብ ክየ ብታይ ሽሙ ጥራሕ ትዕቅን ጥራሕ ።
What do I use to measure? I forget the name. Oh, the meter!
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እወ ቅድሚ ምስርሕኻ ግና ኾኽሒ ነይራ እንበል ዞ ኣብዚ እኒያ።
Let’s say it was rock before you carve it
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ኸምዚኣ ጌርካ ስርሐለይ ክብለካ እዩ እወ ዶ?
and then they want you to build it . . .
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ከምዚ ኣቢልካ ስርሐለይ ኽብለካ ተሎ
When they tell you to build it,
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ካብዚኣ ላብዚኣ ሜትሮ መጀመርያ ናይገዛኻ ትእቅና ኢኻ ቅድሚ እቲኣ ምፍራሕካ ማለት እዩ ።
do you measure it?
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Yes.
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እሳ እያ ትእቅኖ ኢኻ ?
Yes, you measure it.
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መዓቀኒ ታይ ትጥቀም ማለት እዩ ?
What kind of measuring device do you apply?
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መዓቀኒ ሜትሮ ሜትሮ ጌርካ ትዕቅኖ ።
We use a meter to measure.
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A meter.
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ከመይ ኸ ቀጥ ልበለ መስመር ክፍጠር ይኽእል ኸምዚ
How do you make a straight line??
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ቀጥ ልበለ መስመር እማ ቲ ቅኑዕ ክኾን ኣለዎ ቲ ብልየው ትእቅኖ ኹሉ ነገር እማ ልእዝዘካ ብልየው ት ጎቦ . . .
For the straight line, you measure it in terms of the opposite side.
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ከምዚ ለምፃፅ ከይኾን ቅኑእ እንተኾይኑ። ቀልጢፍካ ኣቲኻ ናብ ታይ ሽሙ ኢኻ ትኣቱ ።
The rock should be suitable.
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ሐዚ ብኡ እውን ዓቂንካ
You measure like that.
ኣፈራርሃኹም ድዩ ልውስኖ ሐዚ ?
Does the digging matter?
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ኣፈሓሕራና እንደገና ኣፈሓሕራና ከይኾነስ ት ቦታ ተፅንዖ ሞ ቅኑዕ እንታኮይኑ ፅቡቕ እዩ ንኹሉ ነገር ኣይሓሲየካይ።
Digging? Not only digging, but you have to study the place also. Then, if it is straight, it will be suitable.
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ከመይ ቕኑዕ ተኾይኑ ማለት ?
Then how will it be straight?
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ቀጥ ልበለ ክኾን ኣለዎ ት እምባ ።
It should be straight..
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ት እምባ?
The rock?
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እወ እትው ኢልካ ወዲያው ኢኻ ትጥወ ።
Then you carve inside and turn this way and the other [workman] turns.
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ቲ ግን ታይ ይእዝዘካ ብሜትሮ ተኾይንካ ከብሉኻ ይኽእሉ እዮም።
This way, both carve their way then meet inside.
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ሐዚ እሱ ግን ቀጥ ልበለ ተኮይኑ እትው ኢልካ ወዲያው ብዚኣ ኢኻ ትጥወ ሐዚ እዚኣ ትጥወ ማለት እዩ።
One turns this way and the other turns this way.
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እሕ
Okay.
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ት ሓደ ውን ብዚ ገይሩ ይጥወ ።
Both carve their way, then meet inside.
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ሐዚ እሶም ከይዶም ምስቲኦም ይራከቡ ።
Then meet inside.
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ብዚ ናብዚ ጎን ናብዚ ልኸድ እውን ላብዙይ ይኸድ ኣብ ሞንጎ ግን 20 ሜትሮ ሐዚ ክትእዝዝ ተኾይንካ. . .
If [the space] is 15 meters [square], it is referred to as a 7-pillar [church] and if it is 20 meters...
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እዚ 15 ተኾይኑ ብዓል 7 ዓምዲ ይበሃል
some 3 to 5 pillars will be added.
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15ተ ሜትሮ ተመፂኣ ማለት እዩ ታ ቦታ።
If it is 15 meters .
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20 መፂኣ ተኾይና ሐዚ 20 መፂኣ ተኾይና ዓምዲ ትውስኽ አላ ማለት እዩ ።
If the distance is 20m then the number of pillars also increases.
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ብኣ መሰረት እናወሰኸት ትኸድ ሐደ 3፣4 ትውስኽ እላ 5 . . .
So the number of pillars increases with reaspect to the length of the interior side.
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ትውስኽ እላ ኸባቢ 10፣ 15 ዓምዲ ይመፅእ ኣሎ ኣብ ሞንጎኡ እንድሕር 20 ኾይኑ ሜትሮ ናብዚ. . .
You increase from around 10 to 15 pillars if the length is 20m.
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ሐዚ ብቲ ሜትሮ መሰረት ይወስኹሉ።
The number increses with respect to the distance.
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12 ተኾይና እውን ያው 3 ክሻዕ 15 ዘሎ 7ተ ዓምዲ ይወፅኦ።
If the distance is 15m ,we may have 7 pillars.
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እስኻ ዓቂንካ ወይም ብሜትሮ ሜትሮ ሜትሮ ኢኻ ትገብረን ተን ዓምዲ. . .
So you will measure the distance between pillars with a meter.
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ተፃሪየን ያው 70፣80 ይመፅኣ ብትኽክል ኸባቢ ኸምዚኣ . . .
So they will come in total to around 70,80cm .
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ስለዚ ብኸምኡ ትቐንዲ ዝእዝዘካ . . .
So the main thing is the width of the church.
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እዚ ቀጥ ለብለኩም ቀጥ አቢሉ ልወፅእ ዘሎስ ናይ ክልተኻ እናተራኣይኻ ምስራሕ ድዩ ።
The thing about making it straight is then because you work jointly?
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ንሱ ኣብ ውሽጢ ኢካ ቀጥ ተብሎ እምበር . . .
You have to make it straight in the inside...
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እወ።
Yes.
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ንሱ ቀጥ ይበል ኣይበል ፀገም ለምፅእ ኣይኾነይ ።እወ።
But one doesn't need to be concerned about the outside anymore..
ት ዋንኡ ግን ት እምባ ቀጥ ክብል እለዎ
The main thing is that the mountain/rock/ [facade] should be straight.
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ት እምባ ውን ቀጥ ክብል እለዎ እንደገና ኣብ ውሽጢ ኣቲኻ እውን ባዕልኻ ኢኻ ቀጥ ተብሎ ።
Yes, the mountain/rock/ should also be straight and you will straighten the inside by yourself.
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እወ እሞ ኸመይ እሞ ቀጥ ተብሎ ተኾይኑ ሐዚ . . .
How do you straighten it?
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ኣፀራርባኹም ድዩ ሐዚ . . .
Is it the chisseling
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ኣፀራርባ በቃ ።
yes, we straighten it by chisseling.
ሐዚ ቀጥ ለብሎ ።
that straightens it?
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እዚ ሐዚ ገና እዩ ኣይተበለይ ኣይተኣረየይ ሐዚ ።
Now, it is roughly straight...
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ሱቕ ኢሉ ተሰኒዑ ተሰኒዑ ዶ ኮነይ እኒዮ እስካርቤሎ ጌርካ ብደምቢ ንእሽተይ ከም መርፍእ ኢኻ ትቀርፃ ሐዚ።
Then we will straighten it smoothly with the chisel.
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ዝኾነ ዲዛይን ክተውፅአሉ ትኽእል ኢኻ ሐዚ ገና እዩ ኣይወፀይ ሱቅ ኢሉ ሰናዕ እዩ እኒዮ።
You may also carve any design inside, but we haven't done that yet. We are just working now.
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እዛ ታይ እዩ ስሙ ትጥቀሙላ እዚ ታይ እዩ ስም ዝበሃል ?
What was the name of the tool you apply?
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እዚ ገመድ ?
The cord?
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ገመድ ጌርካ ተብል ?
Using rope?
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ምንም በቃ ብዓይንና ኸምዚ ኢልካ ትርእያ ቀጥ ኣቢልካ ትርእያ ኸምዚኣ ጌርካ ተርኢኻያ ተፀጊዕኻ ብዚኣ ኾይናካ ተርኢኻያስ ባዕላ ትርኣየካ እያ ።
You observe with your eye. If you see it straight, your eye will lead you.
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እወ።
Yes.
ብኣይንኹም እምበይ እቲ ኣይትጥቀሙይ ማለት እዩ ?
You see straight by your eye then you will see it.
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ሐዚ እንኤ ሕብራኻ አዕምዲ 7ተ ዓምዲ ተውፅኣ ከለካ እቲኣ እኒያ ሐቀይ ብቲ ኣፍ ደገ እቲኣ ትርኢ. . .
Yes, you see straight...
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እዚኣ እውን ትርኢ ሐንቲ ኣፍ ደገ ዓምዲ እውን እኒያ ንልየ . . .
...near the pillar . . .
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እወ።
Yes.
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እዚኣን ኢኻ ቀጥ ትሪኣን ኣቢልካ ብዓይንካ ትርእያ ሐዚ።
until you see straight by your eye.
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ሐዚ ኸመይ ድዩ ልብለካ ለሎ መሲሉካ እሱ ?
He is saying that ...
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ኸምኡ ኸምኡ ጌርካ ክትሰርሖ ተቢልካዮሲ ተርኢኻዮ ሓደ ተኾይኑ እዚስ ና ብምንታይ እዩ ና ልምዲ ድዩ ወይስ ካብ ጭንቅላትካ ልፈለጠ ልወፅእ ልመንጨየ ነገር ድዩ ?
If it is the same doing it both ways, then how is this?
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ወይስ ለለ ንኻሊእ ሰብ ኸምኡ ጌርካ ተምሒርካዮስ ትሰብ ኸምኡ ገይሩ ክለምድ ይኽእል ዶ ይብል አሎ።
Is it by experience or by intelligence? How about if you train another person, would he be skilled?
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እወ ብሓሳብ ትረዳዳእ ኢኻ እኮ ኸመይ ኸምትገብራ ገና ኸላ ዋላ ተተእትዎ ሰራሕተኛ እውን ከምዚኣ ኢኻ ከምዚኣ ኢኻ ትገብራ ተኢልካዮ እውን ይርድኦ እዩ ።
Yes, you can order him to do it your way and he can comprehend and do it. It is known.
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ምኽኒያቱ ብሓሳብካ ሱቕ ኢልካ ብስነኣእምሮ ኣብ ምህራስካ . . .
Especially, if he has worked in other places ....
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ከመይ ከምትስራሕ ከምዘለዋ ትፈልጣ ኢኻ ።
...he can comprehend easily, if you tell him to do so.
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ምኽኒያቱ ስለትፈልጣ ሰብ እውን ይፈልጣ እዩ ኸመይ ኢላ ከምትስራሕ ክኣ ኣብ ሓንቲ ቦታ ጀሚሩ. .
Because you know how to work in one place, he will know also.
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ኣብ ካሊእ ዝጀመረ እንተኮይኑ ከምዚኣ ክትኾን እያ እንተይልካዮ. . .
If he starts in another place and you tell him it should be done like this...
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7ተ ዓምዲ ኣለዋ ቅኔማህሌት እዚኣ ቅድስቲ ኣብዚኣ እንተይልካዮ ሐዚ. . .
There are seven pillars. If you gell him this way is the qeddest; that way the qene mahlet (choir area) . . .
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እዙይ ፍሉጥ እዩ እዚ ናይ ታቦት ምቕማጥ . . .
It is known where to place the sanctuary.
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ት ቀጥ ኣበሓሕልኡ እየ ዝብለካ እለኹ ቀጥ ኣበሓሕልኡ?
I am saying the straightness
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ት ቀጥሲእዚኣ ኣሟቅ እዚኣ እኒያ ዶ ሓቀይ. . .
The srtaightness . . . for, example,
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እወ
Yes.
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ንዚኣ ኽተርክብ እዚአን ብሙልአን ኽተርክብ እኒየካ ።
Can you see this part? It is deeper than the other part of the rock,..
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እወ።
Yes.
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ኣጋጣሚ ብኡ እተኣቲኻ እውን ክበላሸካ ይኽእል እዩ ።
...so to get to this part you have to chisel all of it but, suddenly, when you are chisling,
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ብዘይተሓሰበ ማለት እዩ ።
you can destroy the previously chiseled part of the rock.
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የግደታ ንዛ ቦታ ንዚኣ ኽተግንይ ኽትብል ብሙልአን ኽተብለን ኣለካ።
Which means the chiseled part( the straight part) of the rock.
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ካልእ እውን ኣብታ ኣምቖት ክትህልይ ክትክእል እያ ።
So, to make it strait you have to chisel all of it.
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ብሙልአን ግን ሐደ ኣይነት ብዚኣ ጀሚረ ናብታ ሽሉክ ምስቲኣ ኸምዛ ናይ ልስን . . .
There might be some part of the rock which is not leveled(straight),
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ይኸዱ ኸምዚኣ እናሸርሸርኩ ብዚኣ ማለት እዩ ጀሚረ።
So using that line I chisel strait, then once I have finished that,
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ብድሕሪኡ ከምኣ ኢለ እናኣረኩ ላዕሊ ይድይብ።
using that line I chisel up till I get to the ceiling.
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ሐዚ ግን እቲ እዛ ንምርኣይ ሲ እዛ ታይ እዩ ስሙ ልምዲ የድልያ ድዩ?
Then does [visual] observation need experience
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እዛ ንምርዓይሲ ተለካስ ኣብርእስኻ ድዩ ወይስ ብልምዲ ድዩ በቃ እዚ ኸምዚ ናይካ ስራሕ ስለዝኾነ ድዩ?
...or it is because you have it in your mind?
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ስራሕኻ ተኾይናስ ኣብ ስነ ኣእምሮኻ ቀሪፅካያ ስለዘለካ ኸምዚ ስለዝበልካ ኣይትኣብየካይ ኸምታ ልደለኻያ እያ። ትገብራ
If it is your work, you have it in your mind, then it won’t be impossible. You can make it as you want.
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ሐዚ ሰብ ኸምኣ ዝኾነ ንስኻ ቀዳመይቲ ፒላር 7ተ ፒላር ትርእዮ ከለኻ ካብጫፍ ክሳብ ጫፍ ማለት እዩ . . .
Then when you tell the workman to make the seven pillar...
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ኸመይ ገይሩ እሱ ኸ ይክእላ ዶ ኣይኽእላ ተሰልጥኖ ተለካ ክትሓስብ ?
...can he do it, or do you have to train him?
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ይኽእላ እዩ ለይኽእላ ሰብ የለን እዚኣ ሐዚ ናይ ታቦት ባዕሉ ቅድስቲ ኣይትውፍኦይ።
He can do it, nobody is unable.
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ቅድስቲ እያ ተይልካዮ ሐዚ ቅድስቲ ኸመይ ጌርካ ኸምትስራሕ . . .
The [distri ution of the] interior part of the church is known.
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ና ኣሰራርሓ እኮ ኣይኾነይ ማዕረ ንምምፃእ ?
It is not about the carving.
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ማዕረ እዛ ታይ እዩ ስማስ ካብጫፍ ክሳብ ጫፍ7ተ ቀጥ ኣቢልካ ተምፅአን ዶ እኒየዋይ ?
It is about the seven pillars from here to there. How do you make it straight?
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እ።እወ።
Yeah,yes.
ቀጥ ኣቢልካየን ይመፃ ብዓይኒ እናረአኻ ተይልኻለን ዓንተዎ እዙይ ኣይንጥቀምን እንዲኻ ኢልካ እዝምንጥልጣል ስለዚ. . .
How can another person make them straight ...
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እሱ ለየርኣኻስ ሰብ እዚ ካሊእ እዚ ለለማመድካዮ ሰብ ከመይ ገይሩ ክክእሎ ይኽእል ይኽእል ዶ እዩ እዚ ጥያቄ ከዚ
...unless you train him?
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ይክእሎ እዩ ።ወዲያው እዩ ልኽእሎ?
They will be able to do it soon,
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በቃ ሓንቲ ቤተክርስቲያን ተርኢኻዮ እውን ብሱሩ ወዲያው ቀልጢፉ እዩ ልወፅእ ኣብ ወርሒ ኣብ ክልተ ወርሒ እዩ ልወፅእ ።
if you show him one church.
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ከመይ ጌርካ ኸም ዝስራሕ ዘሎ።
He can be able to do it.
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ሀዚ ተምህረኒ ትኽእል ዲካ እዩ ልብለካ ለሎ ?
He saying "Can you teach me now?"
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ታይ ድኣ ውርሒ እያ ታ ሽግር እምበይ ኣብ ወርሒ ።
Yes, within a month
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ሐዚ ሰዓት ከ ኸመይ እኹም ትውስንዎ ሰዓት ሐዚ ኣብዚ ሰዕት እዚ ?
How do you use time?
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ከምዚ ክንሰርሕ ኢና ተይልኩም ሐዚ ኸምይ ኢኹም ትውስንዎ መወዳእትኡ ኸመይ ይኾን እሎ ማለት እዩ?
If you decide to do something in a limited length of time?
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ኸመይ ኸምዝሰርሕ እለና
Is that how we do it?
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ሐዚ ኣብዚኣ ኣብዚኣ ንውዳእ ኢና ተይልኩም ሐዚ ኣብ ዝተብሃሎ ሰዓት ክውዳእ ይክእል ዶ ?
If you said that we will finish this task at s given time, then do you finalize it on time?
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እሱ እሞ ኸመይ ጌርካ ኢኻ ማለት ኽትውድኣ እውን ትኽእል ኸይትውድኣ እውን ትኽእል ተኾይንካ ሰርሕተኛ ኸቋርፀካ ይኽእል ኣብ ሞን
You may or may not finish...
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ወይም ኽወፅኡኻ ይኽእሉ እሱ ናይ ኣጋጣሚ ጉዳይ እዩ ።
...since you don’t know what will happen...
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ኹነታት እዩ ልገዝአካ ።
...Unfortunately, a worker may leave.
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ሐዚ ትሰዓት ሐዚ እዞም ሰባት ኸምዚ ኽንሰርሕ ኢና ኢልኩምና እና ኢና ኸምዚ ስርሐልና ኢሎሙኻ . . .
After having a contract,..
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እሺ ኢልካዮምስ ወዲያው ድዩ ልጅምሩልካ እለኻ ማለት ድዩ ?
...do you start immediately?
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ወዲያው እዩ ልጅመር ውእሎኻ ትገብር ት ውእሎኻ ኣሲርካ . . .
It is based on your contract.
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ሰራሕተኛኻ ሓፃዊንካ ተስተኻኽል ብሙሉእ ነገር ዝግጁ ትኾን ማለት እዩ።
It there are to be a lot of expenses, then you prepare...
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መናፍሕካ ትሕዝ ትሕዝ ፈሓም ትገዝእ ብዙሕ ነገር እዩ ወፃኢ እኒዮ።
....charcoal and other materials. You will have an appointment based on your contract ...
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እዚኦም ተዘጋጅው ገለ መኣልቲ ኽንመፅእ እለና ኢና ይብሉ ያው ልመፁሉ የዳልውልካ ስለዚ. . .
...then they start soon..
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ተስማሚዕኻናይ ኩለኻ ስምምዕ እዩ ክጅምር ትኽእል ብተስማማእኻዮ መሰረት
...on the appointed date.
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ሐዚ እዞም ሰባት ቶም ለነጋገሩኻ እና. . .
How much time will it take the people...
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ትኮንትራት ምፍራም ትብሎ ተልኻ ኽንደይ ጊዜ ይወስድ ይኾን ?
...contacting you and the signing of the contract?
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ምፍራም እማ ሱቕ ኢልካ ብ ጊዛዊ ሽማግሌታት እምበይ ብወረዳ ኽልል ኣይኾነይ ግ. . . ?
The contract signing is not something that goes up to regional officials.
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ሱቕ ኢልካ ምስቶም ኾሚቴ ተኣኻኺብካ ንግዚኡ . . .
It is signed in front of witnesses and the temporary committee.
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ጊዜኣ ባ ክንደይ ጊዜ ኽወስድ ይኾን ?
The time, how much time will it take?
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ምንም ጊዜ ኣይወስድይ እሱ ኸም ክስታዩ እዩ።
It won’t take much time.
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ሐዚ ሰሙን ዶ ?
Would that be a week or a couple of weeks?
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ሐደ መዕልቲ እውን ኽውዳእ ይኽእል እዩ ።
You can do it within a day.
2 ሰሙን ?
Or two weeks?
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ምንም ፀገም የብሉይ ቶም ኣለው ዝብሓሉ ቶም ሰበኻ. . .
There is no problem.You ask the church officials to gather. . .
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ኣክቡለይ ትብል ንሶም ይእከቡ ንስኻ እውን ትቀርብ
And after they gather, you meet with them.
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ሰለስተ ሽማግሌ ኻብ ኽልተ ኣዲ ይመፁ። ኻብ ጎደቦ ማለት እዩ ።
You bring two elders from two country places, like from Godobo.
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ኻፍቲ ኸባቢ ከይኾነ ላብ ጎደቦ እዩ ልኽዕኑ ።
They should not be from the local area; they should be from Godobo.
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ኻብ ጎደቦ ሰለስተ ተምፅእ ።
You bring three elders from Godobo..
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ልኦም ተቕርቦም ስለዚ ናቶም ሰበኻ ዓዲ እውን ተቕርቦ።
You bring the three elders to the church officials...
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ስለዚ ይፍርሙ ንስኻ እውን ትፍርም ኹሉ ከ ፈሪምካ ሐዚ . . .
They will sign and you will sign too. Everyone should sign.
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ቃልና ይብሉ እዚ ከይጎለና እዚ ከይጎለና ንስካቶም እውን ፎርም ተምልኦም ናቶም. . .
They should fill out the form according to the contract, so there should be no arguments later on.
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እሕ
Okay.
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ገንዘብና ከይተርፈና ኢልካ ኹሉ ኣፈሪምካ እቲኦም እውን ምስክር ኾይኖም ኣለው ስለዚ ኸምዚ ወዳዲእኻ ኣብ መዓልቲ እውን ክውዳእ ይኽእል እዩ ።
You make a contract to finish at the given time.
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ሐዚ ት ልተፈራረምካሉ ወረቀት ገለ ይሕልየካ እሎ ትኾንትራት ልፈረምካዮ ወረቀት ?
Then now do you have the paper on which you signed the contract?
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ኣሎ እወ ።
Yes. I have.
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ምሳካ ሐዚ እኒዮ ?
Do you have it now?
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ልርሕቅ ከይኾን እምበይ ይሕልይ እዩ ነይሩ እዩ ናቲ እንዳማሪያም ።
It might be far.But I have.
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ቀፃሊ ኽንመፅእ ተለና ንምርኣዩ ሒዝካልና ክትፀንሕ ትኽእል ንምርኣዩ ሱቕ ኢልካ ?
Can you bring and show it to us the next time we come?
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ኣሎ እዩ ሕዚ እውን ኸርእየኩም ይኽእል እየ ፀገም የብሉን እሱ ።
It does not matter. I can show you now.
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ሐዚስ ት ሕብረተሰብ ለሎ ኸ መጀመሪያ ናባኻ ኽመፅእ ኸሎ . . .
The society, do they come after...
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ትቕርሺ ኣጠራቒሙ ድዩ ልመፅእ ወይስ ገና ቕርሺ ለይተጠራቐመ >?
....collection of the money or it is before?
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ቀዳማይ ኽፍሊት ልበሓል እኒዮ ኣብ ኢዶም ቀዳማይ ኽፍሊት ይሕቡኻ ።
There is one called a primary payment ...
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ኣብ ሳልሳይ ባዕልኻ ትሰማምዖ ቅኔ ማሕሌት ምስ ወዳእኹ ናፍቲ ምስኣተኹ ፍርቂ ምስ በፃሕኹ
...and they give it to me...
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ሳልሳይ ኽፍሊት እኒዮ ማለት እዩ መወዳእታ መቕደስ ወዲእኻ ኹሉ ነገር ምስኣረከብካ ብሙሉኡ ጨራሪስኻ . . .
...and I have to arrange the third payment.
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መጨረሻ እውን ሳልሳይ ክፍሊት።
After the final submission there are also three payment stages.
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ኣብ ሰለስተ እዩ ።
Yes. the payment is made in three phases.
መጀምሪያ ኻልኣይ ሳልሳይ ኽፍሊት እኒዮ
Primarily there are second and third payments?
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ሳልሳይ እወ እዚኣ እንድሕር በፂሕኻ ይብሉኻ ።
Third? Yes, they tell you to attain a certain position.
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ሐዚ ብኸምኡ ኢኻ ትኸድ ።
You do it this way.
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ትስራሕ እንድሕር ኽልተ ኣመት ልወስድ ተኾይኑ ኸ ኻብኡ ልበዝሕ ልወስድ ተኾይኑ ?
What if the work consumes a couple of years, ...
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መጨረሻ ይሕቡኻ ማለት ድዩ ?
..if it consumes more, do they give you a dead line?
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በቃ እሳ ተጨሪስካ ታ ና መጨረሻ ኢኻ ትወሓብ ብሱሩ ወዲእኻ ኢኻ ኽተርክብ ከለኻ
If you finish it, you will be given the final payment.
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ገንዘብኻ ይሕቡኻ ትናይ መወዳ ማለት እዩ።
You receive the payment after the final submission.
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መወዳእታ ፍርቂ ተበፂሕኻ እውን ፍርቂ ኸምኡ እዩ ዋላ ኽልተ ኣመት ይውሰድ
Whether it lasts for a couple of years...
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ኣይሕቡኻይ ንስኻ ተን ስራሕ ከይወዳእኻ
...and more is up to you.
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Okay.
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ይውሰድ እ ፍርቂ ከይበፃሕኻ ፍርቂ እና ፍርቂ ኣይሕበካይ ኣሎ
Whether you finish it early or late.
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ታመወዳእታ እሳ ተይወዳእኻ እውን ዋላ ሸውዓተ ዓመት ትግበር ምኽኒያቱ ባዕልኻ ኢኻ ተደንጉያ ዘለኻ እምበይ /
Whatever time it takes is your problem.
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እሶም ኣይኾኑይ ዘደንጎዩዋ እስኻ ገንዘብ እንተልይዎ?
That is not their mistake,but your own.
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ወዲያው ወዲእኻ ኢኻ ኽስታይ ትገብረሎም ።
So you [must]finish [the work]first.
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መኣዝ እቲ ይጅመር ኸመይ እዩ እዝ እቲ ስርሕስ መኣዝ ትጅምሩ ኣለኹም ?
When are you going to commence the work?
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ትስርሕ ሐዚ ኻብ ዝተነጋገርኩምሉስ ምዓዝ ይጅመር ኢልኩም ትሓስቡ ማለት እዩ ?
Is it within a day from the day of your agreement?
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ኣየናይ?
Which one?
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ትስራሕ ትጅምሩዎ ተለኹም ሐዚ ኣብ ማንኛውም መዓልቲ ዲኹም ትጅምሩሉ ?
When do you start work ?
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እሱ ልጅመረሉ ያው ቅርሺ ለለዎ እዩ ኣብ ሰኑይ እዩ ልጅመር ።
If there is money, we commence on Monday.
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ቅርሺ ኣብ ልተገነየሉ ?
When you get money?
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ቅርሺ ኣብ ልተገነየሉ እዩ እምበይ ።
If we have money we start work.
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ቲ ሰዓት ኸ ኣወዳድኣ ኣብ ልተፀበኹሉ መኣልቲ ክውዳእ ይኽእል ?
Can it be finished on the agreed day?
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በቃ ንዓመትን ድዩ ዓመት እዩ ትእቅዱ ሰብ ኣብዚሕኻ ክውዳእ ኣለዎ ይውዳእ እዩ።
It can be finished within a year...
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ትኽክለኛ ተኾይኑ እት ቦታ እንድሕር ኮኽሒ እንድሕር ዘየጋጢሙካ
..if the place is suitable.
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ትውድኣሉ እሱ እዩ 8ተ 9ተ 10 ሸቃላይ ተይፈለኻ ማለት እዩ በዓል
And having eight to ten labourers.
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ልተወሰነ በዓል እቶም ሓዲግካ
You are going to have a break on the saint’s day and holidays
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እሕ
ok
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እናእረፍካ ኹልሻዕ ኢኻ ትሰርሕ ያው ዓመት ይወድእ እዩ ።
But if there are not enough workers and...
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እንድሕር ሰራሕተኛ ምቁርራፅ ተጋጢሙካ እንደገና በዓላት ልበዝሕ ተኾይኑ ከምኡታት ተኾይኑ ግን 2ተ ኣመት ይወስድ እዩ።
...there are a lot of holidays and saints' days, it may take a couple of years.
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ኣብ ዓመት ኽንደይ ሐዚ ኽንደይ ክፍሓር ኢልካ ትሓስብ ?
How much can you dig or carve per year?
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ኣብ ዓመት ኢዱ እዩ ልቆፅር ሐዚ ኸመይ መሲሉካ ኸም ኣፂድ እኽሊ ሰባት እዩ ልቆፅር ።
It depends on the number of workers working.
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ሰባት እንድሕር ኣብዚሕኻ እንተእቲካ ናቲ ሓደ 50 ናቲ ሓደ 50 ተቆሳቚሱ ብዙሕ 50 ይኾን አሎ ማለት እዩ ።
If you have a greater numbers of workers, you will get fifty cms. from each [per day]and it will be a lot.
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ኽሻዕ ኽንደይ?
How much?
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ሐዚ ብምዓልቲ 50 ኽሻዕ 1 ሜትሮ ኢልካና ነይርካ?
Once you told us from fifty cms. up to 1 meter
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ብኡ ተቢሉ ማለት ድዩ ሐዚ ?
With that calculation?
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ሐዚ 50ብ 50 ማእኸላይ ውፅኢት 1 ሓዞ።
If the workers are numerous,
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50 ንውሽጢ 50 ንላእሊ እንድሕር ኾይኑ ብኡ መሰረት።
...they can do a lot... if they do not interrupt it.
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Yes.
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ሐዚ ንኣብነት እዚኣ ተር ኢላ እኒያ እዚ።
For example..this is straight.
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እወ።
Yes.
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ብዙሕ ሰራተኛ ብዚ እውን ክልተ ክኸዱ ይክእሉ እዮም።
Two workers can do this.
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እወ።
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ብዚኣ እውን ነናይ ባዕልቶም ዓምዲ ቆሪፆም 3ተ
Three workers can work from this side first by making s pillar.
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4ተ ክኸዱ ይክእሉ እዮም ሐዚ እዚ ፈላሊኻ ብዙሓት ተኮይኖም እቶም ሰራተኛ
If you have so many workers, you can do like this.
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ኣብ ልሓፀረ ጊዜ ዝደለኻዮ ክሰርሑልካ ይኽእሉ እዮም ።
They can build what you want within a short pariod of time
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ተየቛረፁ ማለት እዩ ።
with no break.
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ሐዚ እሱ ልብለካ ኣሎስ ኽንደይ ኽወፅእ እዩ ኽንደይ ና እምኒ ኩቢክ ሜትር ኽወፅእ እዩ ኢልካ ትሓስብ ኻብ ውሽጢ እዩ ልብለካ እሎ ?
He is asking, how many cubic meters of stone will be carved?
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ብዙሕ ብግምት ?
By guessing.
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ኸመይ?
How?
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ትሓመድ?
The soil? The debris?
እዚ ትፍሕሮ ኽንደይ ንላዕሊ ታይ እዩ ስሙ ገለ ?
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ኣብ ዓመትስ ኽንደይ ኣብ ዓመትስ ኽወፅእ ይኽእል ተፋሒሩ ኽወፅእ ይኽእል?
How much will be carved per year?
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ዋይ ታይ ኢልካ ትግምቶ እዚ ምንም ኣይትግምቶይ ኣይእቅኖይ እዚ ሐዚ ኣብዚ እኒዮይ ሓቀይ ...
You cannot estimate.
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ኽንድኡ ልኾን ብዙሕ ተሸይጡዎ እዩ ።
You see this one, we have sold as much of this [sand] as before.
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ሐዚ ብዙሕ ኣይትፈልጦይ እስኻ ማለት እዩ?
Then it means you do not know it well.
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ኣይግመትይ ብዙሕ ይዩ ወፂኡ።
A lot was carved you cannot measure it.
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ብጣዕሚ
A lot.
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ኣይእቀንይ መሬት ልሓዞስ ብዙሕ እዩ ምንም ክትዕቅኖ ኣይትኽእልይ ።
We can't measure it.
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ሐዚ ትሓደ ንእሽተይ ትሐደ ዓብዩ ክኾን ይኽእል እዩ ።
The extent the workers carve might be big or small...
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ሐዚ ዋጋ ኸመይ እዩ ሐደ ድዩ ትኸፍሎም ንኣቶም ማለት እዩ ?
...and then do you pay them equally?
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ኣይኖም ?
Whom?
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ሐዚ ዓብይ ቤተክርስቲያን ተኽዕይኑ እና ንእሽተይ ቤተክርስቲያን ተኾይኑ ሓደ ድዩ ት ዋግኡ ኸመይ እዩ ?
Is the cost the same for big and small churches?
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እሱ እማ ኸም ሜትሮ እዩ እኮ ልኾን 12 ተኾይኑ ንዚኣ ኽንድዚኣ ሚትሮ ተ ኢሎምዋ።
It is based on the size,
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እሱ ቁሩብ ትቅንሰሉ ኢኻ 20ብ 20 እንተይሎምኻ እውን .
It varies, like if it is 15 X 15 m. it will be less...
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ብኡ መሰረት ኢኻ ገንዘብ ትውስኸሉ ።
But 20 X 20 will be pricier.
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ሐዚ ትስራሕ ኸ ኣይኑ ወቕት ኢኹም ትመርፁ ?
Which season do you prefer?
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ኸምዚ ኣብ ፀሓያማ ድዩ መጀመሪያ መስከረም ኸባቢ ድዩ?
Or you work whatever the season is?
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ወይስ ኣብ ታይ እዩ ስሙ ትመርፁ ዲኹም ወይስ ማንኛውም ዓመት ክትሰርሑ ትኽእሉ ኢኹም ?
Did you have preferred seasons for working?
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ኽረምቲ ኣይብል ሓጋይ ኣይብል ኩልሻዕ እንድዩ ልስራሕ ኣብውሽጢ ስለዝኾንካ ።
We do not discriminate.We work whether it is summer or winter.
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አወ።
Yes.
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እንታይ የጋጥመና ክረምቲ ይፅልምተካ ወየው ደበና ግዛዕ እንተኮኑ
Sometimes it will get dark in winter.
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ሐዚ መብራህቲ
So you need light.
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ግን ተሰርሑ ኢኹም ኣብሽዒቱ ለ ማለት እዩ ?
But you work in winter also.
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ኩልሻዕ እንድዩ ልስራሕ ።
We work the entire year .
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እወ።
Yes.
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ዝበለፀ ፆም ኣርብዓ እዩ ፅቡቕ ፆም ኣርብዓ መዓልቲ ነዊሕ እዩ ።
But Lent is most preferred because the day time is longer.
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ግዜ እውን ነዊሕ እዩ ሽዑ ።
The day time is longer ...
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ፅቡቅ ኢኻ ትሰርሕ ግን ትዝርከበሉ ሰራሕተኛ ጥራሕ ኣቢልካ?ስ
You work better at that time.
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ክረምቲ ግን ናይ ፀልማት የጋጥም መብራሕቲ እናገበርካ ሸምዓ ወይም ሓደ ነገር እናገበርካ እምበር
During winter, since the clouds will dim the site, we use candles and light.
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ደበና ተኮይኑ ግብ እዩ ልብል ናብ ውሽጢ ኣቲካ ክትሰርሕ ኣይትክእልን።
When there is cloud , it will be dark.
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ወይ መብራሕቲ ወሊእካ
So you need light.
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እወ።
Yes.
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እናገበርካ ኢካ ትሰርሕ።
You can work like that.
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ሐዚ እንድሕር ታይ እዩ ስሙ ተኾይኑ ኸ ቀውዒ ተኾይኑ ፀሃይ ተኾይኑ
What about summer?
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ተኾይኑ ሐዚ ብርሃን ስለዝኣተየካ መብራሕቲ ኣየድልየካይ ማለት ድዩ ?
You do not need light?
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እወ ብርሃን ክኾን ኣለዎ ኸምዚ ፀሃይ ጠቃዕ ተይሉ ንሳ ብዚኣ ጌርካ ስለትኸድ
Yeah, there should be source of light so that you can see.
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ብታ ማዕፆ እኒያ እስትሬት ኢኻ ትኸድ ።
First you go straight to the door.
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እሕ
Uh huh.
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ብዚኣ ትኽእል ኢኻ ተይሉ ደበና ተኾይኑ ግን
If there is cloud, you can't work.
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ዝኾነ ነገር ቀላሚጦስ ክሕሊ የለዎይ እዩ ዝክልክሎ ክኾን የብሉይ የብሉይ
There is no need for trees around the area.
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ተተኻኢሉ ወይ ልምብራቅ ወይ ኸምዚ ንሰሜን ታይ ሽሙ ክኾን ኣለዎ ኸምዚ እውን ክኾን ኣለዎ ...
If you can,start the work from east. ..
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ስለዚ ናብ ፀሃይስ ኽኣትዎ ክኾና ኣለዎ ብርሃን ክኾን ኣለዎ ት ቦታ ተኻኢሉ ማለት እዩ ።
..to get enough light inside.
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ኻብኡ ወፃኢ ግን ናብዚ ክተግልስ ከለኻ
After that, when you make a turn...
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ኸዚስ መብራህቲ ኣየድልየኩምይ ማለት እዩ ?
You do not need light?
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መብራህቲ የድልይ እባ ።
No, we need light.
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ኣየድልይ ማለትካ እዩ።
You say no.
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መብራህቲ የድልይ እባ ።
No, we need light.
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እዚ መብራህቲ እኮ ናይ ፀሃይ ብርሃን ተለይኾነስ ዝብለካ እለኹስ ?
I do not mean the sunlight.
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ና ፀሃይ ብርሃን ቀንዲ ና ፀሃይ ብርሃን ኢና ንጥቀም ።
Mainly, we use the sunlight.
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እወ።
Yes.
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ምኽኒያቱ ክልቲአን እኒየኩ ኸምዚኣ ኣነ እቲኣ ለ ፎጊረያ እኒየኹ ሐዚ ኣነ
So to get light we have to make portals.
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እወ።
Yes.
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እቲኣ ብኡ እንተኸፊተያ ብዚ እየ ለይራከበሉ እለኩ
If I open the portal on that side....
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Ok.
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ሐዚ ብርሃን ትእድል እያ እዚኣ ብርሃን ክትእድል እያ ንልየው ንልየው ከኣ መሊሳ።
it can provide light on this side.
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ካፍቱ ደሓር መሊሳ ክልቲኣን ስለዘራክብ እለኩ መሊሰ እሳ እውን ብርሃን ና ባእላ ትእድል
And when the opened portal reaches the inside, it will be clear to see.
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ክልቲኣን ኣፍ ደገ ኣፍ ደገ ክልቲኣን ልወፃ
With two portals opened,
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እወ።
yes.
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ልወፃ እንድሕር ልፅልምተካ ኮይኑ እውን 3 ኣፍ ደገ ኢካ ትገብረላላ
you can increase the size of the portal until the interior is visible.
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ኣብ ማእከል ክትፎግረላ ትክእል ኢካ ብርሃን ንምእዳል ማለት እ።
So you can increase the size of the portal to increase the light.
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እዚኣ ሐዚ 3 ኣፍ ደገ ክከውን ኣለዎ
Here there are three portals.
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ሐዚ ብምብራቅ ክትጅምር ከለካ እስካ
When you start at the east...
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ብርሃን ስለዘግኒ ኩል ጊዜ ብርሃን ስለዝኮን ናብኡ ድዩ ?
...is it to get the sun light?
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እወ ብርሃን ናብ ፀሃይ ቀልጢፋ ትወፀሉ ።
Yes, the direction of the sun rise ...
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እዩ ትቀንዲ ፅቡቅ ተተካኢሉ ግን ።
...is better
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ሐዚ ካብዚ ና መጀመሪያ ዝነበረ ናብ ድሕሪ ሰዓት ምብርፅ ተጀሚርካ ትብርሃ ከመይ ይብል ?
What will it be like during the afternoon?
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ርሃን ምንም ትቀንዲ ፀገም ለምፅእ ሓጋይ ከምዚ ሐዚ ምንም ኣየምፅእይ ።
There is no problem during summer.
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ምክኒያቱ ታቀንዲ ፀገማስ ክረምቲ እያ በቃ ።
The problem is during winter.
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ሐዚ ክረምቲ ጊዜ ክኮንተሎ ሐዚ ሽምኣ ሓንቲ ድያ ተድልየካ ወይስ ብዙሕ ሽምዓ ኢኩም ትገብሩ?
During winter, is a candle enough or do you need many candles?
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ብዙሕ እባ ይግበር ።
We need a lot of candles.
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ብዙሕ ሽምኣ ?
Many candles.
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ነና ባእልካ ንክልተ ሰርሕተኛ ሓንቲ ሽምዓ ክልተ ሽምዓ ትገብር ኢካ ግን
One for each or one for two workers.
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የግዲ እናተፀገምካ ብርሃን ግን ይኣብየካ ተኮይኑ ከምዪ ልብለካ እለኩ እሎ ሰለስተ ትገብረን ተን ክስታይ
Light is a big problem. . .
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ሐዚ ኩሉ እናተከፋፈተ ስለዝከድ ምንም ፀገም ኣየምጽፅእይ
When the entire side is open,it will be bright.
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ሐዚ ግን ሓንቲ ሓንቲ ሽምዓ ክትሕዙ ትክእሉ ኢኩም ሓንቲ ንክልተ ክትሕዙ ትክእሉ ኢኩም ?
Now, you can have either one for each or one for two.
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ሽምዓ ዲኩም ጣፍ ኢኩም ትጥቀሙ ?
Do you use bees' wax candles?
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ሽምዓ ጣፍ እዩ ዝሓዞ መብራሕቲ እውን ክትጥቀም ትኽእል ኢካ ከም ኣጠቃቅማኡ ።
Yes, they can use the normal candle, or taper made from bees' wax.
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እዚኣ እኒያ ሐዚ ክሰርሓ ከለኩ ብዚኣ ይብርሓ ብዚ ይገብራ ማለት እዩ ።
You can use light by...
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ይጠዋወያ ሐዚ ብዚኣ ጌይረ ክሰርሑ ይክእሉ እዮም
...changing the position.
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ንሳቶም ግን ማሽን እለዎም መብራሕቲ ላምባዲና ብዙሕ ጊዜ ትጥቀም ላምባዲና እዩ ።
They mostly use torch light.
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ትጥቀመሉ ነገር
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ከመይ ገይርኩም ሐዚ እዚ መብራሓቲ ከመይ ገይርኩም ትጣብቅዎ ናብ ግድግዳ በኢድካ ዲካ ትሕዞ ከምዚ ኣቢልካ ?
How do you stick the candle to the wall? Is it by your hand?
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ወይስ ኮፍ መበሊ ናይ ባዓሉ እኒየዎ ?
Or there is candle stick?
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ዝኮነ ነገር ክስታይ ትገብር ኣብ ሞንጎ ኣብ ማኣከልካ ጌርካ።
You put something on the middle in between...
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ትፍሕር?
You dig?
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ኣብ ማኣከልካ ክስታይ ትገብር ዶ ዝኮነ ጣውላ ነገር ቀምጥ
You can put a piece of wood in the middle ...
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ኣብኣ ኣንጥብ ኣንጥብ ኣቢልካ ኮፍ ክተብላ ሐዚ ኣብ ሞንጎካ እያ እኒሃ ንስኻ እስካ ብዚ ኢካ ትከይድ ሓደ ብዚ ስለዝከይድ ዘሎ
...and the candle on it between the workers.
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.........ዝኮነ ነገር ሽክል ኣቢልካ እውን ሓፂን ትሸክል
Or you can insert a metal thing inside the rock.
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እሕ
Ok.
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ኣብኣ ተአትዋ ክስታይ ክትገብራ ትክእል ኢካ ።
So you can put the light in that metal thing.
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ተእትዋ።
You can put it.
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ኩሎም እንተሓልዮም ኣየኑኡ ትጥቀም ትደሊ ?
If you have all ...
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ሐዚ ት ዓቅሚ እዩ እምበር እቲ ሐዚ
That’s all about affordability.
ካብ ሽምዓ፣ካብ ማሾ፣ካብ ላምባዲና?
..candle, lamp and torch,
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ንስካስ ታይ ትጥቀም ትደሊ ናይ ዓቅሚ ገለ ከይኮነስ
which one would you use?
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እቲ ሽምዓ ተሓሊዩ ዲካ ደስ ዝብለካ ማሾ ወይስ እቲ
Which one is best to use?
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ማሾ እዩ ፅቡቅ እዩ ዋ ነፍስ ወከፍ ክተምፅእ የከብድ እዩ ።
It is difficult to have one for each.
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ንምምፃእ ተለይኮነስ ታ ድያ ጥያቄ ከመይ ድያ መሲሉካ ጊደይ ?
My question is not all about affordability.
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እስካ ብስሩ ልስማምኣካስ ታይ እዩ ትመርፅ ንስካ ማሾ ድያ
Which one would you like to use the oil lamp, candle or the torch?
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ታ ብ ቀላል ትሕዝቶ እየ ዝብለካ እለኩ ትረክባ
Whatever you can find easily is good.
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ታ ሽምኣ እያ ኣፍታ ቤተክርስቲያን ትረክባ እውን እሳ እያ።
Candles and the bees wax candle are up for grabs in the church.
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ሽማይ ጣፍ እያ ተግኒ።
You will find the normal candle and the taper easily.
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ለድሊ ግን
The main...
ግን እቲ ዋና ለድልየካ ነገር ግን
Which one is suitable for you? Is it the lamp?
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ሐዚ እኒዮ ልመፀ ኣብቲ ኣሲርካ ታይ ሽሙ ላምባዲና እኒዮ ሓቀይ
The main thing that you need is a torch
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ንሱ እኒዮ ሐዚ ኣሲርካ ክትሕዝ ትክእል ኢካ
to be tied around your head,
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እወ
Yes.
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ምክኒያቱ ትሰርሖ ነገር ደኒንካ ኢካ ትሰርሖ
because it will be easy and suitable for you.
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ከምዚ ኢልካ ንውሽጢ ንውሽጢ
When you go inside .....
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ኢካ ተእትዮ እኒየካ ሐዚ ምሳካ ይደንን እሎ ት መብራሕቲ
...the torchlight goes with you inside.
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ከምዚ ኢካ ክትሰርሕ ትክእል እምበይ
You can work like that.
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እስቲ ማኣልቲ ከመይ ኢኩም ማዓልታዊ ስራሕ ሐዚ ንጉሆ ክንደይ ሰዓት ትጅምሩ ማለት እዩ
At what time do you commence work in the morning??
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ለ ንጉሆ ብቀደማይ ተዘራሪብና ኢና ያው ሰዕት ክልተ እዩ ።
I have told you this last time. We commence work at two o’clock [i.e. 8:00 a.m.]
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ሰዓት ሸውዓተ ይፍደስ ሃደ ሰዓት ዕረፍቲ እኒሂካ።
and go for lunch at seven o’clock [i.e. 1:00 p.m.] and get back after an hour ...
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ሸሞንተ ትኣትው ያው ከምኣ ኻኣ 11 ትወፅእ ማለት እዩ ናይ ምሽት እውን
....at eight o’clock [ i.e. 2:00 p.m.] and leave at eleven o’clock[i.e. five p.m.]
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ናይ ለይቲ ስራሕ ከ ትሰርሑ ዲኩም ሓደሓደ ግዜ ለይቲ ለይቲ ለ ለይቲ ኣይስራሓን
Is there a night shift?
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ለይቲ ኣይስራሓን።
We do not work at night.
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ክንደይ ሰባት ኮይኑኩም ትሰሩሑ መብዛሓቲኡ ግዜ
How many people usually work together?
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እሱ ከም ዝረከብካዮ ከም ዘርከብካሉ እዩ 6 ኮይንካ ትሰርሕ ትክእል ።
It depends on the availability of workers and money.
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ያው 5 እውን ትተርፍ ትክእል ።
You can work with five or six or maybe more.
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እሱ ኩንትራት ቅርሽካን ናይ ሰራሓተኛ ኣጋጣሚ
It depends on what financial capacity ...
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ኣብ ዝረከብካሉ እዩ .
...you have.
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ስሞም ትነግረና ዶ ትክእል እዞም ምሳካ ዝሰርሑ ገለ?
Can you tell us the names of your co-workers?
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ዋይ ሓደ ዳኣተወ ሓደ ዳወፀ ከመይክንደይ ኢልካ ትናገር።
They are numerous; when the one leaves, the other starts,
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ታሞ እዩ ትርጉም የብሉን ።
so, it is difficult to recall their names.
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እቲ ስራሕ ከ ኩንትራት ዲዩ መብዛሓቲኡ ብፍቃድኝነት ዝስራሕ ስራሕ እዩ?
How about the work? Is it by contract or voluntary?
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ኩንትራት እዩ መብዛሓቲኡ ።
It is by contract ..
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ተካናተራይ ይሕዝ እቲ ማዓልታዊ ይከፍል ።
...and payment is made on a daily basis
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ተካናተራይ ይሕዝ እቲ ማዓልታዊ ይከፍል ።
Mainly we pay for day labors.
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እቲ ኩንትራት ከመይ እዩ ብዓመት ድዩ ታይ እዩ ብወርሒ ድዩ ብምንታይ እዩ ኢኩም ትወስድዎ እቲ ኩንትራት?
How do you make the contract? Is it on a monthly or yearly basis?
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እሱ እቲ ኩንትራት ዓመት እያ ዓመት ተረክበና እዮም ዝብሉካ
The contract is for a year.
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ግን ወቅቲ ናይ ቅርሺ ናይ ባዓላቶም ዋሃዲ የጋጥሞም።
But because of shortage of money ...
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ኣብ ግዜኡ ኣይህቡካን ያው ይጋተት ።
...it gets postponed ...
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እስካውን ተጋትቶ ኣንድሕር ልስዓቱ ዘይሓብካ ንስካውን
But the workers have no problem.
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የግዲ ስራሕ ኣብ 2 ዓመት 3 ዓመት ክወስድ ይክእል እዩ።
So the work may take up to 2 or,3 years.
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ስለዚ ቅርሺ ቁሩብ ኣይኮነን ናይቲ ዓዲ ዓብይ ፀገም ዘለዎም ።
The main problem of the clients is that they don't have enough money.
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ካብ ሓደ ዳውፅኡ ካብ ሓደ ዳውፅኡ ሰለ ዝኮነ
They begin work with the first payment only.
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ብናይ ባዓልቶም እምበይ ብናይ ሰራሓተኛ እኩል ቀልጢፉ ወዲኡ ክከይድ ስለዝደሊ
The workers need to finish very fast, but the clients don't have enough money.
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ምንም ፀገም የብሉን ኣብ ሰራሓተኛ።
But workers don't have any problem.
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ሐዚ ከምይ ከምዚ ንስካስ ምሳካ ዝቆፀርካዮም ሰራሓተኛታት እኒሄው ገለ
There are workers you hired.
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ኣብ ክልተ ወርሒ ኣብ ሰለስተ ወርሒ ሓዲጎምካ እንድሕር ሓዲጎምካ ተከይዶም ከ ምስኣቶም ኩንትራት ትዓስር ዲካ ሲጀመር ምስቶም ተስርሖም ሰብ?
Then, do you make a contract with them and what if they leave after two or three months?
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ባዓልካ ጥራሕ ንስካ ጥራይ ኢካ ትዓስር እምብርይ ንሶም ...
No, you are the only one to have a contract with the officials.
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ኣብ ግዚያዊ ቀውዒ ጥሪ ሓድጎምካ ይከዱ እዮም።
The workers don’t have a contract with you because they can leave when they want.
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እወ።
Yes.
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እስካ ኢካ ቀዋሚ ኩሉሻዓ እቲ እንዳ ቀይርካ ኢካ ተብል ዘለካ እምበይ
I am the only permanent one here...
ስለዚ ኣስልጢንካዮም ሓዲጎምካ
So, they can leave after being trained by you?
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ንሳቶም እማ ጉዳይ እኒሂና እናበሉ ክዛኣ እናበሉ እውን ናይ ወርሒ ናይ ክልተ ቅነ ናይ ሰሙን ዘይቅመጡውን ክሕልው እዮም።
But the other workers can leave as they want and thereafter I have to find replacements.
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እሕ
Ok.
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ይከዱ ከዓ መሊስካ ቀይርካ ካልኦት ተምፅእ።
They are temporary.
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ሐዚ እስካ ተከዱ ዋላስ ምንም ኣይመስለካን ማለት እዩ?
Then, now you won’t worry, if they leave you?
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ከመይ ገይሩ ክምስለካ መሊስካ ካሊእ ትቅይር።
You don’t feel anything. You have to hire another.
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እስካስ ከዚ ጀሚርካ ኩንትራት ውዕል ውዒልካስ ክሓድጎ እየ ተበልካ ትሓድጎዩ ከ ?
You have a contract now. If you want to quit can you?
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ዋኣ ከመይ እሞ እሱ ትናይ ዳማርያም መውቃ ዝብለካ ዘለኩ ዝተወሰነ ክንድዚኣ ትከውን ምስተረፈትና
In the case of the church I've been telling you about, DA MARIAM MAWKA, we asked them...
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ገንዘብ ወሱኩና ኢልናዮም
...to add money.
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ምስበልናዮም ኣይንውስክን ሐዚ ሰራሓተኛ ክሳብ ሐዚ ዘይትከፈሉ ሰራሓተኛታት እኒሂዉ ።
When we were left with the least ...
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እሕ
Ok.
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ደሞዝ እውን ወሱኩና ንሕና ተወፂኢና ኢና ኢልናዮምስ
...they told us to work..
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ዝተወሰነ እክሊ ኣዋፂዮምልና ሱቁ ኢልኩም ስርሑ ብዓልና ሓሲብና ክንውስከኩም ኢና ኢሎምና
...saying they would give us the money we asked for when we finished.
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ውዕል ንግበር እምበይ
We told them to renew the contract...
ሐዚ ኣቋሪፅካስ
Then, you decline the contract?
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ሐዚ ከም ሓድሽ ውዕል ንግበር ተን ትውስኩና ውዕል ንግበር ኢልና
...with an enhanced amount of money...
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ውዕልማ ሱቁ ኢልኩም ኣሚንኩም ስርሑ ብዓልና ሓሲብና ክንሕቦም ኢና ኢሎምና
...and they told us to trust them that they would get us the money at the end..
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ኣብ ሞንጉኡ ንእሽተይ ምስተረፈትና እኮ ኣቋሪፅናዮ ኢና መፂና ብካሊእ ገይሮም
...but we quit it when we were left with a minimum of funds...
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ንሓደ ወዲ 40 ሽሕ ዲዮም ግዛዕ ሂቦምዎ ምሳና ዝሰርሕ ዝነበረ
...and a man who was working with us...
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ንኡ ሂብምዎ ብኣኣ ፈፂምምዋ ኣመሪቆሞ ማለት እዩ ።
finished it with [a new]40,000 birr contract.
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ሐዚ ንስካ ግን ኩንትራት ከቃርፅ እየ እንተይልካ እንታይ የጋጥመካ ንስካ ማለት እዩ ?
What will happen to you if you want to decline the contract?
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ውኡል እንተሓሊዩካ ውኡል ትምስርት ትትሓዝ ትክእል ኢካ ።
If you have a contract you may make a contract but which contract?
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እሺ ከዚ ከመይ ጌርኩም ትፈልጥዎ ማለት እዩ እቲ ታይ ስሙ?
Ok then, how do you know the suitability of the rock?
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እቲ ቅድሚ ምስርሕኩም ጠንካራ ድዩ ገለ ናይቲ ኮውሒ ኣይነቱ ርኢካ ዲካ ትፈልጦ ብምርኣይ ወይስ ?
Is it by sight?
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ንፈልጦ ኢና ።
We know it.
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ብምርዓይ?
By sight?
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ሕዚ ኣብቲ ከባቢ ናይ ዳማሪያም ዝበልኩካ
There was once I told you that we have seen it in the Maryam church...
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ሓንቲ ነይራ ብበረካ ዝርኣናያ ከምቲ ኣይነት ጨረር ነገር እምኒ
The rock has a ray like color..
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ከምዚ ኣይነት ዝተቀመጠ ሱቅ ኢሉ።
then we doubted its appropriateness.
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ከምዝኣ ኢሉ ሱቅ ኢሉ ተር ኢሉ ፍርቂ
It is straight like this.
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ከምኡ ኢሉ ዝተቀነተ ከምኣ ኢላ።
It is straight.
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ነይራትና ሐዚ ንፈልጦ ኢና ት ቦታ ከምኡ ነይራትና ኸዚኣ እያ ኸዚኣ ተጠራጣሪት እናበልናያ እታና ።
We thought that it might crack. Then we started working.
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እሳስ ብኣ ጀሚራ ክሳብ ውሽጢ ኣትያ
Then the crack continued inside.
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በቃ ንሳ ትሕዘና ነይራ ።
The crack took our time.
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ታይ ኣይነት እምኒ ገና ከሎ ንፈልጦ ኢና።
We know it. We know the rock from the begining.
ግን ብምርኣይ ትፈልጥዎ ኢኩም
You have known it well.
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ታይ ስሙ እዚ ናይ ላእሊ ከ ክፈርስ ሓሲብኩም ትፈልጡ ዶ እቲ ናይ ላእሊ ትሰርሕ ተለካ ገለስ ክፈርሰኒ እዩ ?
Are you afraid that the ceiling might collapse...
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ከምዚ ማለት ክትሪኦ ከለካ ፈሪሱ የጋጥመካ ይፈልጥ ዶ ?
...and have you experienced such an incident incident?
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ትሰርሃ ተሎ ካብ ብላእሊ ?
At the time you were working?
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ካብዚ ኣየጋጥም ኣብ ካሊእ ከባቢ ዘን ፈለስቲ ሰሪሖምዎ ዝነበሩ ግን
Here it has not happened, but somewhere this has happened, at the place where the monks that I told you were building.
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እሕ
Ok.
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ኣእማድ ከምዚ ኣይነት ታይ ኣጋጢሞም ነዩ ምትኻስ ጀሚሩ ነይሩ።
After they made the pilars,then the pillar cracked.
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እዚ ምፍራስ ተተኪሱ እቲ ላእሊ ይፀቅጦ ዶ ።wa
The upper one put pressure on the lower one and then it exploded.
ምፍራስ?
Collapsing?
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እሕ
Ok.
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እዚ ይፍንድእ ።
..The pillar developed a crack.
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እቲ ማይ ዝኣተዎ እንተኮይኑ ከምኡ ፀገም ዝመፅእ ።
The one that leaks water causes such a problem.
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ደሓር ኮለን ገይሮም ብስሚንቶ ገይሮም ካብኡ እናሓለው።
Then they sealed or fixed it using metals and cement.
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ተወሳኪ ገይሮምሉ ብሓፃዊን ገይሮም ስሚንቶ ገይሮን ።
With metal...
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ስሚንቶ ገይሮም።
...and lining with cement.
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ንሳቶም ብምንታይ ኣይነት እምኒ ንሰርሖ ነይሮም ማለት እዩ?
In what kind of rock were they building it?
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ኣየንኡ?
Which one?
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እዞም ፈለስቲ ዝሰርሕዎ ዝፈረሰ ዝበልኩካ
The one that was built by the monks
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ምንም እዚኦም ኣይፈጥዎን ነይሮም ብዛእባ እዚ እሱ እዩ ዝምላ ዝበለካ ዘለኩ
They have not known it.
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እወ ታይ ኣይነት እምኒ እዩ እባ ነይሩ ?
Yes, what kind of rock was that?
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እምኒ ሱቅ ኢሉ ቀደም በኣልቲ ነገር ሱቅ ኢሉ
It was built in a cave.
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ናይ ተፈጥሮኣዊ ነይርዎ በኣቲ ።
There was a natural cave.
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ካብኡ እናሓለወ ሐዚ ኣብ እናሓለወ እትው ኢሎም ።
Then they asked me and my team to repair it.
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ፈረስረስ ዝብል።
It was falling apart.
እወ ናይቲ እምኒ ኣይነት ትፈልጦ ዲካ ?
Then, do you know the type of the rock?
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ከምዚ ኣይኮነን።
Not like this.
ከምዚ ድዩ?
Is that like this?
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ፍርስርስ ዝብል ነገር እዩ ለስላሳ ነገር ።
IT is a soft kind of rock.
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እቲ ልሞተ ዲካ ከምኡ ሰሪሑ ዝበልካዮ?
Is that the worker who passed away?
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እወ።
Yes.
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ታይ ኣይነት ከለር እዩ እቲ ዝፈረሰ?
What is the color [of the rock]?
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እንድእሉ ኣይፈልጦን ከምዚ ኣጋጢሙና እዮም ኢሎምኒ እምበር ኣነ ናብቲ ከባቢ ከይደ ኣይፈልጥን። ኣፀጊኣ ኣይፈልጦን
I do not know it. They told me that all this has happened.
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እቲ ቀይሕ ኣይኮነን ማለት እዩ እቲ ቀይሕ ዝበልካዮ?
Which means it was not red [rock]?
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ዓሌቱ ኣይፈልጦን እቲ ክስታዩ
I do not know the rock.
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ቀይሕ ነገር እዩ ኢሎምኒ።
But they told me that something is red.
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ኸዚ ትሰርሕ ተለኻ መብዛሕቲኡ ጊዘ ኣብ ምንታይካ ኢኻ ትጉዳእ ኢድካ ዲካ ትውቃእ ትሰርሕ ተሎ ?
Which part of your body is most vulnerable to injury...
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ወይስ ካሊእ ዝጉዳእ ፓርት እኒሆ ዶ ?
...while at work?
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ኩሉ እዚ ክስታይ ይኾን እዩ ድሕሪ ጊዜ ግን ድሕሪ ጊዘ ድሕሪ ሰሙን ኢኻ ክስታይ ትገብሮ እምበይ እዚ ብሙሉኡ ተበል ደኣ ኮንካይ ።
You can get hurt on any part of your body.
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ናይ ምስራሕ ንውቅዒት እባ ?
I am talking about a work injury.
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እዚ ኩሉ ትወቖዖ ኢኻ
Yes, there are some who say they have an injury ...
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እዙይ ብሙሉእ
but after a time they get used to it.
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ወቒዕናዮ ኢና ዘብዙይ እኒኦ
I hit this part of my hand,
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ናሰሓትካ መጀመሪኦም
when we began the work.
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ምክኒያቱ ይውቃእ እዩ ድሕሪ ጊዜ እናለመዶ ይከድ።
After some time, you will get used to it.
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ኸዚ መብዛሕቲኡ ጊዜስ ኢድ እዩ ልጉዳእ ማለት እዩ
Is that the hand that gets injured most of the time?
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ኸዚ መብዛሕቲኡ ጊዜስ ኢድ እዩ ልጉዳእ ማለት እዩ።
You may get injured.
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Ok.
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ድሕሪ ጊዘ ግን እንዳለመድካዮ ትኸይድ
But over time you will get used to it.
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ሐዚ እስኻ ግን ኣይሕመካይ ማለት እዩ ለሚድካዮ ኢኻ ?
You don’t feel pain, then, because you get used to it?
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ኣነ ለሚደዮ እየ ግን ኣዕርፍ ኣቢልካ እንድሕር ቀኒኻ ከኣ ከም ሓዱሽ እዚታትካ እዚ
Now, I am accustomed to it. I don’t get injured, but if you take a break for some time ...
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እዚ ግን ኣይወቅዕ ይ ስለዝለመድኩዎ
...and start again, you may get injured.
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ከመይ እዩ እንድሕር ሕዚ እላሓመሞም ተመፂኡ ገለ ከቋርፅዎ ማለት ድዩ
How is it now when the [workmen] get injured, do they quit?
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ኣየቋርፅዎይ ስራሕ ይቕንሱ እምበይ ኣየቃረዎይ ።
They don’t quit, but the work load might be minimized.
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ግን ከምዚ ጌርካ ካተትሕዞ እዚ ልወቕዖ ተኾይኑ ሕዚ ብዙይ ኢኻ ተትሕዞ መብዛሕቲኡ።
If [the hammer] hits this part,you can change hands.
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እሕ
Ok.
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ከምዚ ናይ ታይ ሽሙ
Like what is his name . . .
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ሽሙ ብኸምዚ ኢካ ተልምዶ እምበይ ኸምዙይ ኢሉ ኣይመፅአልካይ
You can teach him [to handle the tool] like this, but if [he handles it] like this, it dosen't work.
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ሕዚ ብከምዚ ኢኻ ተልምዶም ።
Like this.
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ከምዚ ጌርካ ሓዞ ኢልካ እዚ ተወቂእካዮ ምንም ኣየብልይ ።
You teach him like this.
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እወ ከምዚ ብዙይ ስለትሕዞ ።
You handle it like this...
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ተወቓዕኻ ኣብዙይ ኢኻ ትወቅዕ ።
...and you carve like this.
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ንትዘይለመደ ሰብ ብዙይ ጌርካ ኢኻ ተልምዶ።
This is how you train the novice.
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ኸዚ ኣብዙይ ስለልወቕዖ ምንም ኣይስምዖይ።
You don’t feel pain when you hit here.
ከረድኦ ዋላ ልኡ።
Let me tell him.
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ኸዚ ትሰርሑ ተለኹም ዓይንኻ ገለ ብምንታይ ትከላኸሎ ኣቧራ ከይኣትየካ ኣፍንጫኻ ?
When you are working, do you use any eye goggles ...
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ወይ ኣፍካ ትሓትሞ ዲኻ መሕተሚ እንኤካ ድዩ ዓይንኻ መነፀር ትገብር ዲኻ?
...to prevent dust from entering your eyes?
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መነፀር እን ኤና ንገብር ኢና ዋ ግን ብዙህ ስለልፅልምተና ኣይንጥቀመሉይ ነውፅኦ ሱቕ ኢልና ነቕምጦ።
Of course, we do have goggles. However, most of the time we don't use them because things are dark with goggles.
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ምንም ኣይትጥቀሙ ማለት እዩ?
Don't you use goggles?
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እወ ትዓይንና ግን ይኣትወና እዩ ዙሮ ዙሮ ትለይለመደ ሰብ እዩ እምበይ ትዝለመደ ሰብ ኣይኣትዎይ ።
Yes, we know dust will enter our eyes.
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ምኽንያቱ ዓይኑ ክወቅዕ ከሎ እናበለ ስለለብል ዓኑ ግስም እናበለ ስለልወቅዕ ።
This happens to inexperienced workers.
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ት ገና ሓዱሽ ተኾይኑ ግን ዓይኑ ፍጥጥ እዩ ለብሎ ክወቅዕ ተሎ
while experienced ones adapt to it.
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ኣፍካ ኣፍንጫኸ ገለ ኸ ትሕተም ዲኻ?
What about your mouth, Do you protect it with a handkerchief?
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ምንም ንሓትይሞ ነገር የለይ ሱቕ ኢልካ ኢኻ ትሰርሕ
We didn’t.
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እወ።
Yes.
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ግን ይፅልምተካ ተቃርፆ።
When it is dark,you stop working.
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ኣብብርሃን ኣብብርሃን እዙይ ትጥቀም።
When it is light, you can use this.
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ሕፅረት ኸምይ እዩ ኸዚ ገንዘብ ውሒዱና ገለ ገለ ኢሎምኹም ይፈልጡ እዮም እወ ዶ?
Is there any financial problem which faces you?
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ሕፅረት እማ ኸም ኡ እዩ ሕፅረት ቕርሽ እዩ ትቀንዲ ለባእስ ዝብለካ ዘለኹ ትናይጊዮርጊስ ሕፅረት?
Yes, for example, we had a contract to finish the St. George church...
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ዝተዋዓልናሉ ሰለስተ ወርሒ እዩ ሰለስተ ወርሒ ሰሪሕኹም ተርክቡና እዮም ውዕልና ኸዚ።
...4×4 meters within 3 months.
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እታ ኣርባዕተ በርባዕተ
for 4 X 4m.
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እወ።
Yes.
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ድሕሪኡ ንሕና ሰሪሕና መጀመርያ ክልተ ሜትሮ ምስበፃሕኩም ዝልብሎ ውዕሊ ዶ እኒሆ
After completing half the work, when we asked for compensation,
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ትውዕሊ ስሒብዎ ገንዘብ ሃቡ ተይልካ
...they couldn't pay us because they lacked the funds.
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ኸዚ ትዋና ፀገምሲ
So, what is the main problem?
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ኣብቕርሽ ሕፅረት ብዙህ እዩ ለጋፅም ኣብ ኡ ናይዓዲ ብዙሕ ሰለልኾነ
The problem is, the administrators ...
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ቀሪቦም ኣይፀንሑይ
...cannot raise a sufficient amount of money.
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ኸዚ ሱቕ ኢሎም ዒስራ ሽህ ሒዞም እዮም ልጅምሩ ።
They began the work having 20,000 birr . . .
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ካብኡ ብድሕሪኡ ሰብ እናለመንና ካብቱይ እናምፀእና ንህበኩም ኢና ስለልብሉኻ ኸዚ
...hoping the coming expenses would be contributed ...
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ክልተ ሚእቲ የምፅ ኡልካ
...by the people.
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ልኣተን ተብል ተባኢስካ ክንደይ ሁከት ኢና ኸዚ ታዳማርያም ብጣዕሚ ኽንደይ
At this time, the work has ceased.
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እወ ኸዚ ትዋና ኸዚስ እሱ እዩ ለባእስ ማለት እዩ ሓደ ሓደ ጊዜ
So, this problem leads to conflict with the workers, yes?
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ለ እወ ምስሰራሕተኛ ምስክንደይ ተባኢሰ እየ ኸዚ ኣብኡ
The workers usually make conflict with me.
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ምስክንደይ ምስክንደይ ብዛዕባ ሳንቲም ልመፅአ ማለት እዩ ።
I'm in conflict with so many workers because of money.
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እሕ
Ok.
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ፍርቆም ዘይተውሃቡ ሳንቲም ኣለዉ ፍርቆም ኸዚ
Some workers get paid and the others remain unpaid.
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ኣብብዙሕ ኽስታይ ለእትወና ብጣዕሚ ከቢድ እዩ ቕርሽ እዩ ።
It is very diffcult to work like that.
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ዝሞተ ሰብ ገለ ልተጎደአ ሰብ ገለ ይህልይ ዶ ኣብት ኸምዚ ናሰረሐ ልሃለየ ገለ?
While working, is there anyone who got injured or died?
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ኣይ ልተጎደአ ዝውቃዕ ነገር እዩ እምበይ ልጉዳእ ሰብ የለይ።
Nobody was injured.
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ሕማም ግን ብዙሓት እለዉ ሱፅ ኢሎም ላሕመሙ ኸምኡ ነገር ።
But some of the workers get sick...
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ላፍቱሙቐት ኸምዝ ላሰራሕኻ ትፀንሕ ።
...from diseases like TUBERCULOSIS (TB)
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ዝንውሽጢ ትወፅእ ወዮ እዙይ ኽስታይ ስለልኾነ።
When you get out from the inside...
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ርሂፅካ ስለትፀንሕ ብኸምኡ ቁሪ ልኣትዎም ቲቢ ልተትሓዙ ...
the temperature difference can cause disease.
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ትቢ ተትሒዙ ጥቃ ሞት ኣሎ።
One of the workers is near death now. . .
Ok.
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እውን ቲቢ ተትሒዙ ሞይቱ ።
sick by diseases like TUBERCULOSIS (TB) and two of the workers passed away from this disease.
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ኣብስራሕ ፀኒሖም ውፅእ ዶ ይብሉ ሱቕ ኢሎም ከዕርፉ ክሸኑ ...
When they go out to rest...
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ኽብሉ ቁሪ ይኣትዎም ብድሕሪኡ ።
They get sick.
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ቦታታት ኸመይ ሕማቕ ቦታታት ገለ እንኤዉ ዶ?
OK! Are there any other uncomfortable...
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ዘይምችዉ ቦታታት አለ ልኸምዝታት ?
...places to work for such cases?
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ልኸምዝታት ለይምችዉ ኣለዉ እወ ።
Yes,
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ለይምችው እውን እኒኦ ብዙሕ ከባቢ እኒዮ እወ።
They are great in number.
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ኸዚ ብደንቢ ለይኾን ቦታ እት ለይምችው ትኾን ዲኹም ኣብኡ ለይትሰርሑ?
Do you refuse work in such places?
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ትረአ ተሎ ለምችይ ትኾን ተሎ ኸመይ ትኾን ተሎ እዩ ለይምችይ?
What do these uncomfortable places look like?
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ኸዚ ላዕሊ ሓፂር ተኾይኑ ላዕሊ ክነኹለካ ስለልኽእል...
For example, if the ceiling is low and easy to hollow out,
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ሰለስተ ሜትሮ እንተይሎምኻ ከዚ ..
(3 or 4 meters) we agree.
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ወይ ኣርባዕተ ሜትሮ ኢኻ ትገብረልና ተይሎምኻ...
When they need more height ...
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Ok.
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ላኦላይ ከርክበካ እንተኾይኑ ...
if the ceiling is low.
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ወይም ዝኾነ ነገር ብዙህ ተኾይኑ ኸዚ ኣመች ተለይኾይኑ እስኻ ኣይትቕበሎምይ ።
or the depth is great and uncomfortable, we disagree.
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ኸምዚ ኣብርሃ ወ ኣፅብሃ ኸዚ ነዊሕ እዮም ገይሮም ሰሪሖምዎ እኔዉ
Is the Abraha and Atsbaha church very high?
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እወ ትቦታ እዩ ቦታ እዩ ነዊሕ ተኾይኑ ትእምባ ኸዚ ዓብይ እምባ ተኾይኑ እኮ
Yes it is. However, the place by itself is a great rock, so
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እሕ
Ok.
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ክንድድላይኻ ተንወሕኻዮ ፀገም የብሉን ግን ስለልነወሐ ትርጉም የብሉን እምበር
you can increase the height, as you wish.
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ክነውሕ ይኽእል እዩ።እዚኣ ግን . . .
You can increase the height.
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ሰለስተ ሜትሮ እንተኣዚዞምኻ ካብታሕቲ ኢኻ ትውስኸሉ እምበር ኣብላዕሊ ኣይትውስኸላ
In places such as this, you can increase the height [by digging] out the floor.
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የብልካን ኣብላዕሊ ኣብላዕሊ የብልካን ቦታ. . .
because there is no space at the top.
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እወ።
Yes.
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ኸመይ ኻሊእ ታይሽሙ ኸ እኒኦ...
Do you get other dangerous ...
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ኸምኡ ለጋጥሙ ነገራት ኸ እኔዉ ዶ ሕማቕ ነገራት ንሕና ካብዝለይጠይቕነካ ገለ?
...things which may hurt you . . . that may happen while working?
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ሓደገኛ ልኾኑ ነገራት ለጋጠሙ?
Dangerous things which may happen?
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ብዛዕባ እንታይ እሞ?
When?
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ናስራሕ ለጋጥም ምናምን?
While working or else?
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ምንም ናስራሕ ለጋጥም ሱቕ ኢሉ ቀሊል ነገር እዩ ናት ውቃዕ ግዛዕ ምዛዕ የጋጥም ናትሓፃዊን ምውጋእ
OK! Workers get wounded by metals or by some falling object.
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ካብላዕሊ ልወድቕ ነገር ከጋጥም ይኽእል እዩ ።
Such things may happen.
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ምፅቓጥ የጋጥም ግን።
Something might fall apart,
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ልግዚኡ ወድያው ክስታይ ትገብሮ ትኽእል እምበይ ኣብስራሕ ለለ እዩ ።
But you can handle the injury temporarily.
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ኣብስራሕ ከጋጥም ዝኽእል ነገር እዩ።
This is what you expect from the nature of the work.
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መሳልል ጌርካ ሰሪሕኻ ትፈልጥ ዶ?
Have you, then, ever used ladders when you work?
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መሳልል ኣይኾንይ እኮ ብመሳልል ብሱሩ ኣይስራሕን።
NO, It is impossible to use a ladder here.
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ካብላዕሊ ዲኻ ትጅምር ካብታሕቲ ኢኻ ላፀረብካ ትመፅእ?
While carving, do you work from the bottom up or top down?
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ብሱሩ ካብ ላዕሊ ወዲእኻ ኣብላዕሊስ ወዲእኻ ኢልካ ጭራሽ ብሱሩ ኣይምለስይ ኢልካ ኢኻ ላብታሕቲ ትወርድ .
We work from the top down. After you finish the upper half ...
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ካብ ፍርቂ ለላ ካብዚኣ ሲ ታሓመድ ካብዚኣ ዳ ኾነት ሞሊኣ እኒኣ.. ..
...then you will go down.
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ሓመድ ክሻዕ እዙይ ሞሊኡ እኒኦ ።
The slag is full up to this point.
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ህዚ ኻብዚኣ ንላዕሊ ለላ ብሙልኣ ወዲእኻ ኢኻ ትወርድ
First you finish ...
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... ንላዕሊ ለላ ብሙልኣ...
...everything in ...
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ወዲእኻ ኢኻ ትወርድ ዘድልየካ ነገር ሰሪሕኻ
...the upper part.
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ትውድእ ብሙልኣ ትውድኣ ከምኣ ጌርካ ዜርካ ብሱሩ ብሙልኣ እዚኣ ማለት እዩ ትውድኣ ።
You work on everything in the upper part
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ጨሪሰ እየ ኣብላዕሊ የብለይን የተርፈኒን ትብል ተኾይንካ. . .
until all is done.
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እሕ
Ok.
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ጠቕሊልካ ሓመድ ተውፅእ ማለት እዩ መወዳእታ ኣውፂእኻ ካብኡ ንታሕቲ ዘሎ ክኣ መሊስካ ኻብዙይ ንታሕቲ ለሎ ኽኣ
You take away the debris, then you start working the bottom part...
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ኣብመወዳእታ ጨራሪስካ
That means you've finshed the upper part.
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ትከድ እለካ ማለት እዩ።
You can finsh like this.
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ዘብዙይ እኒኤ ኸዚ ኣብዚኣ ኢኻ ጀሚርካ ሰርሕኻ ማለት እዩ?
As we can see, you began your work here, yes?
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እ፣እወ።
Yes.
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ትሰርሕ ተለኻ ብዚኣ ኢኻ ጀሚርካ ?
So,you began this way?
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እወ ።
Yes exactly.