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ናብ ርእሱ ይግብርሉ ኣለዉ ንሳ?
What dose it mean?
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እእ
yes.
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ለምለም
Yes,it means grean.
ለምለም ማለት ድዩ?
Does it mean green?
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ለምለም ኢለ እኮ እየ? ልምዓት።
What I mean is ...
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ልማዓት ይገብረልካ ኣለኩ።
our area is green.
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ልምዓት እየ ዝፈቱ ኢለ እኮ እየ።
I like the green area.
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እሺ እእ. . .
Okay.
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ኣብዚኣ ከምዚ ዓንተወይ ዝበልኩዎም
As I told you before...
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ንእሽተይ ጥያቄታት እኒዋና. . .
I have some questions...
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ብዝተከኣሎም መጠን
That you will ...
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ኣሕፅር ኣቢሎም ክምልሱልና ማለት እዩ።
answer briefly for me.
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እሺ
Okay.
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ያዉ እታ ዝተጠየቐት ጥያቄ ወድያዉኑ....
When i ask you...
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ኣባኣ እናሃለወት ምልስ ነብላ ማለትእዩ።ናብ ካሊእ ተዘያኣተና።
you will anawer me exactlly with respect to the questions.
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እሺ
Okay.
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ሙሉእ ስሞም፣
Would you tell me your full name, ...
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ዝተወለድሉ ዓመተ ምህረት፣
Date of birth,
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ዝተወለድሉ ቦታ፣
Place of birth,
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እ. . . ዝናገርዎ ቋንቋ
And languages that you speak...
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ትግርኛ ካብ ትግርኛ ወፃኢ እንታይ እኒሀዎም፣
other than Tigrigna?
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ስርሖም፣
And tell me your job?
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እዚኣቶም መጀመርታ ንርአይ እሞ...,.
First, answer me those questions.
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ካብኡ ናብ ካሊእ ጥያቄ ንኣቱ ማለት እዩ።
And we will continue.
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እሺ ዝተወለድኩሉ ዓመተ ምህረት...
All right. I was born in...
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ስሞም?
Would you begin by your name?
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ስመይ ቀንጀታ ሓጎስ ገ/ሄር ይበሃል።
My name is kenjeta Hagos G/Egziabher...
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እሺ ኣነ ክሕዘሎም እየ ንሳ....
ok, I will handle it for you, continue please.
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ቀንጀታ ሓጎስ ገ/ሄር ይበሃል።
kenjeta Hagos G/Egziabher...
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ዝተወለድኩሉ ዓመተ ምህረት 1938 ዓ.ም እየ ተወሊደ።
I was born in 1938 e.c
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ብናይ ዓድና?
In the Ethiopian calendar?
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እወ
Yes.
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ቀንጀታ
Kenjeta
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ሓጎስ ገ/ሄር
It is kenjeta Hagos G/Egziabher
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ቀንጀታ ማለት እንታይ ማለት እዩ?
What does Kenjeta mean?
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ቀንጀታ ማለት ሉኡክ ናይዚ ቤተ-ክርስትያን....
It means messenger of the church...or messenger of Israel
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እህ. . .
Okay.
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ናይ ቤተ-ክርስትያን ልኡክ...
It means messenger of the church.
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ሕዚ ኣብዚ ዓብይ ስም ኣለዎ።
But it has great meaning now.
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ሕዚ እዚ ታቦት እዚ ክኳዓት ተሎ...
Anyway, when the ark of the covenant was chiselled out, ...
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እእ. . . ደቂ ሰማንያ ነይሮምኒ እዮም ወለደይ።
my parents were eighty years old.
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ዓበይቲ...
My parents were old.
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ሕዚ ቅንጀታ መን?
Kenjeta who?
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ቅንጀታ ሓጎስ
Hagos.
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ሐዚ
Then...
ሓጎስ መን...
What is your father’s name?
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ገ/ሄር
...my father’s name is Gebregziabher.
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እሺ
Ok.
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ልተወለድሉ ቦታ ኣበይ እዩ?
Where were you born?
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ኣብዚ...
Here.
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ኣብዚኣ ተወሊደ ኣነ።
I was born here.
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ታይ ይበሃል ዝከባቢ?
What’s this place called?
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ማይ ወይኒ...
Mai-Mekan was...
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ቀደም ብቋንቋ ማይ መካን ነይሩ በቶም ፃድቃናት ዝሰየምዎ ዓንተዎ።
the former name of this place.
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ዝጥየቅ ዝነበረ...
But now it is called Mai-Weiny.
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እቶም 6666 ፃድቃን...
The name was given by the 6,666 righteous.
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እዚኣተን እየ . . . ኣሕፅር ኣቢልና ንመልሰን ዝብለኩም ዘለኩ...
Let us answer briefly
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እሺ
Well.
ናብ ካሊእ ታሪክ ኣይንኣቱይ ሕዚ....
not to go beyond the questions, okay? We’ll get back to that later.
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ሕዚ ዝተወለድሉ ኣበይ እዩ?
Now where were you born?
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ኣብዚኣ . . .
Here...
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ማይ ወይኒ
It is Mai-Weiny, right?
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ማይ ወይኒ እዩ።
Yes, it is.
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አአ . . . ዝናገርዎ ቋንቋ
What languages ...
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እንታይ እንታይ ቋንቋ ይናገሩ?
do you speak?
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ትግርኛ እየ።
Tigrigna.
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ካሊእ ኣማርኛ ገለ?
Do you speak Amharic or [something]else?
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የብለይን ኣይክእልን
I cannot speak any other languages.
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ስርሖም ከ?
What do you do for a living?
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ስርሐይ ገድሊ እየ።
I am a fighter.
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ተጋዳላይ እዮም ነይሮም?
Have you been a fighter?
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እህእ. . . ይሓርስ ከኣ...
Yes... I am also a farmer.
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ሕዚ በዚ ሰዓት እዚ ግና ናይ ቤተ-ክርስትያን እንታይ እዮም ኮይኖም እኒሀዉ?
What is your contribution in the church at this time?
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ኣባል መስርሒ እዚ ታቦት፣
I am both a member as well...
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ገንዘብ ተሓዚ ማለት እዩ።
as a cashier of the committee in the church.
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እእ. . . ተመርዒዮም ድዮም? ደቂ ገለ እኒሀዎም ዶ?
Are you married? Or do you have any children?
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እወ
Yes.
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እሺ
How many children do you have?
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እኒሂዉምኒ ትሽዓተ ቆልዑ
That’s 9 children I have in total.
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ትሽዓተ?
Nine children?
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እወ
yes.
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ክንደይ ወዲ፣ ክንደይ ኣጓላት?
How many boys and or girls do you have?
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ኣርባዐተ ወዲ፣
Four boys, ...
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ሰለስተ ኣጓላት።
and three girls.
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ሸዉዓተ?
Are they seven; not nine?
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ኣርባዕተ ግዲ እየን ኩለይ ዘን ኣጓላት
Oh! I think my daughters are four or something like that.
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እሺ ክንደይ ትሽዓተ ድዮም ኣጠቓላሊ ዝኒሀው?
(laughter)...they are nine in sum, yes?
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እሺ ስርሖም ነጊሮምኒ እዮም።እም
Already you told me about your work.
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ትምህርቲ ታይ ወሲዶም ነይሮም?
Alright, have you had any education?
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ዝተምሃርዎ ትምህርቲ?
Are you educated?
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ኣነ . . . ካልኣይ
Me... I am grade two.
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. ካልኣይ ክፍሊ እዮም።
Grade two!
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እእ. . . ኣብ ምንታይ ይመሃሩ ኔሮም ማለት እዩ?
Where did you have that schooling?
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ማሃይምነት....
I had it during the illiteracy eliminating program.
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ማሃይምነት ኣብዚ።
There was an illiteracy program here.
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ሎሚለ ሎሚ ዶ ይመሃሩ ኣለዉ ድዮም?
Are you still learning or what?
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ኣይይ ሕዝስ ኣይመሃርን ኣለኩ ዋ።
I am not learning now.
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ቅድም ግን ዉድብ ዘውረዶ ማሃይምነት ኣብዚ ነይሩ።
It was since ...
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ኣብዚ ቁሸታት
the TPLF fighters were mobilizing ...
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ኣብኡ ተማሂረ ነይረ
the people to be educated, ...
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ብዉድብ እዩ።
I learned at that time.
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እሺ ምንባብ ምፅሓፍ ይክእሉ ድዮም?
Can you read and write now?
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ይፍርም ጥራይ።
I can only write my signature, that’s what I can do.
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ምፍራም ጥራሕ?
Only signature?
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እህ. . .
Yes.
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እሺ ካሊእ ቦታ ልተሰርሐ ክምዚ ዝሰርሕዎ ቦታ እኒሀ ዶ ከምዚ?
Have you ever carved...
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ዝተቀረፀ ቤተ-ክርስቲያን ቅድሚ ሕዚ ሰሪሖም ዶ ይፈልጡ ዶ?
any other church like this?
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ኣነ
Who? Me?
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እህ
Yes.
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ኣይሰራሓኩን
Never,
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እዚኣ ጥራይ።
This is the only one.
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እዚኣ ጥራሕ እያ?
Is this the only church you carved?
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ሕህ. . .
Yes
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ምህናፅ ዶ የብል ወይስ
Which one do you think ...
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ቤተ-ክርስትያን ምስራሕ ዶ ይሕሽ
...is better; constructing a building ?
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ወይስ ዉቁር ቤተ-ክርስትያን ምዉፃእ?
or carving a hewn church?
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ምዉቃር እባ ይበልፅ።
Indeed it is better to carve a hewn church.
ከመይ?
How?
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ኣበይ ተጋንዩ። ከመይ ዝብል ለባም
There is a big difference.
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እዚ ፈራሲ እዩ።
Well, firstly a building could collapse.
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እቲ ግን ኣይፈርስን ንቀፃሊ ግዘ እዉን
But a rock hewn- church wouldn't.
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ሕዚ ኣብነት ክከውን ኣብ ሓዉዜን መዓት ፎቓት ተሰሪሑ ነይሩ ገዛዉቲ።
Let us take an example, here in Hawzen.
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ፀላኢ ደብዲብዎ...
Enemies bombarded a lot of buildings with jet [aircraft].
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ዓነዉነዉ ኢሉ ሰብ ጎዲኡ።
As a result, the building ...
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ካብ ካሊእ ቤተ-ክርስትያን እዉን ፀላኢ ውቂዕዎ...
collapsed and it hurt lots of people.
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ፈሪሱ እዩ።
It will collapse.
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እዚ ግን ፀላኢ ይዉቀዓዮ ግዛእ ይዉቀኣዮ ኣይፈርስን።
However, had the rock hewn church been in place of the...
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በዚ ብልፀት እኒሀዎ እዚ።
building, for sure it wouldn't cause such risks.
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እንደገና ንመዓት ትዉልዲ እዩ ዝሓልፍ እዚ...
Secondly, a rock hewn church...
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ንመዓት ትዉልዲ እዩ ዝሓልፍ እዚ ፈራሲ እዩ፣
is durable snd can be transferred ...
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መንደቕ እዚ ይፈርስ ዋላ ስሚንቶ እንተገበርካ ይነቅዕ፣ ይፈርስ፣
from one generation ...
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ብክልተ ኢድ ግን ህንፃ እዩ ዝበልፅ።
to the other.
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ዋጋኸ ከመይ ኣይናይ ይኸብር ኢሎም ይሓስቡ? ዋጋ
In terms of price, which one do you think is expensive?
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እሱ
The one.
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ህንፃ እዩ ዝኸብር።
The built [church]is expensive.
ኣየንኡ?
Which one?
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ህንፃ እዩ ዝኸብር?
The building will be expensive.
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ክንደይ ዕፅፊ ይኸብር ይኾን?
How much price difference will there be?
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ዋይ ክልተ ኢድ አዐርዩ ሰለስተ ኢድ ይወስድ።
It is double or triple [that of hewing out a rock church].
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ዋጋ ኸ?
What about their costs?
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ናይ እምኒ ዋጋይ ናይ መንደል ዋጋን ኣፈላላይ እኒሀዎ፣ናይ ነዳቒ ዋጋይ
As the cost for stone ...
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ናይ ነዳዲ ዋጋይ ኣፈላላይ እኒሀዎ።
and brick is different,
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ሓደ ነዳቒ ክንደይ ይውዕል?
so is the cost for a mason and craftsmen.
ሕዚ
Now?
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150 ፣200 ብር ብፂሑ ኣሎ ሕዚ።
Yes. For instance, a mason was...
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እንድያውም ናይ ነዳቒ ከቢሩ።
paid 150 birr per day, but now it is 200 birr per day
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እዚ ግን በቢ 150...
When multiplying ...
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ትድመሮ ብዙሕ እዩ።
by the number of days...
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ይበዝሕ እሱ እዩ ዝወስድ።
it becomes much greater.
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ጥንካሪኡ እዉን ይወስድ።
There is also a difference in the strength.
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እእ. . . ግልጋሎት እዉን ይወስድ።
Even so, its serviceability is also great.
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ንሱ እዩ ዝበልፅ ብክልተ ኢድ ኣዕርዩ።
They have a double difference.
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ስለዚ ኣይንኡ እዩ ዝኸብር?
So which one is expensive?
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ንሱ ህንፃ እዩ ዝኸብር።
The building is expensive indeed.
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እእ. . እቲ ባህሊ ካበይ እዩ መፂኡ ኢሎም ይሓስቡ?እዚ
OK... Where do you think that the culture of
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ምቕራፅ እዚ ህንፃ ምስራሕ ምዉቃር ቤተ-ክርስትያን?
constructing and hewing a church comes from?
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እዚ ካብ ቀዳሞት ወለዶ ዝመፀ እዩ።
This was transferred from our forefathers.
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እእ . . ብታሪክ ይስማዕ ከም ኣክሱም ከም....
As we heard from history, the art was ...
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...ደብረማርያም...
practised in Axum (Debremariam- Axum);
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...ከም ዳማርያም ዉቕሮ ዝበሃል።
in Wukro (Endamariam Wukro)
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...ኣሎ ኣነ ብወገነይ ንዳማርያም ዉቕሮ ዝበሃል ከይደ ነይረ፣
When you go beyond the embassy. ... ???
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...ዒባ ምግዳል...
At one time, I was...
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...ኣብ ሓደ ዉቕሮ ዝበሃል እኒሀ...
at Endamariam wukro ...
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...ኣብቲ ኢምፓሲ ሰጊርካ እዩ። ፍሉይ ዝኾነ ህንፃ ሪአ....
and I saw an attractive building ...
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...ኣብ ማይዳ እዩ ግን...
located on the plain ...
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...ብጣዕሚ ቆልዑ ሰበይቲ ዝጥቀመሉ...
suitable even for ...
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...ቀረባ ከምዚ ኣብዚ ዝኒሀ እምባታት ዘይኮነስ መይዳ...
children and women.
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...ኣነ ካብኡ ዝረኣኹ....
I have been there.
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...ድሕሪኡ ካብ ሕፀ ናብኡ ኢና መፂና ናብዚ...
After that we came here.
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...እዚ ቆልዓ እዚኣ ክሰርሕ ከሎ እንኡ እየን ሰሪሐንኣ እዚኣ ኣነን እንኡን ኢና ሰሪሕናያ እዚኣ።
This one we made wiith his mother.
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እዚ ፕሮጀክት ዓንተወይ መምህር ዝፀይዎ ዝነበሩ ።
Our project here...
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እዚ ፕሮጀክት ዝኒሀና ወዲ ሓዉና እዩ ሓዉና እዩ። ደሓር ንሱ ...
is the idea of our nephew,
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...ህንፃ ይሕሸና ...
who told me to visit...
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...ህንፃ ይሕሸና ኢሉ ኣተሓባቢሩ እምበይ ሪኢካያ ምፃእ ኢሉ፣ ሪአያ መፂአ ዳማርያም ዉቕሮ።
Endamariam Wukro and carve it alike.
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እወ ሕዚ
Good...
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ምስቲ ባህሊ ዘጋንዮ እንታይ እዩ?
Is there anything that ...
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ምስቲ ባህሊ እንታይ እዩ ዘጋንዮ?
relates the church in Wukro ...
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...ግንኝነቱ...
with culture?
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...ዉቕሮ ቤተ-ክርስትያንሲ ምስ ምንታይ እዩ?ምስ ባህሊባህሊ እንታይ እዩ ?
What relates to the Wukro church?
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ምስባህሊ ዘጋንዮ ነገር እኒሀዎ ዶ?
If yes, what is it?
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ናይ መላእክት እወ ብመላእክት ዝተሃነፀ ኣብርሃ ወኣፅበሃ ንጉስ ብዝሃነፅዎ ቀደም
[The related] church which was built by the kings Abraha and Atsbeha...
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ከምኡ ዝሓዘ ብወለዶ ወለዶ ዝመፅ
(Ezana & Saizana) with the help of angels and later came ...
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ናይ ኣብርሃ ወኣፅበሃ ሓይዲ እዩ።
this generation, little by little.
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ስለዚ እዚ ምስ ኣብርሃ ወኣፅበሃ ዝተተሓዘ ነገር ማለት እዩ?
So it relates to Abraha we Atsbeha, yes?
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እወ ብመላእኽቲ ዝተበለ እዩ።
Yes.
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እሺ
Alright...
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እዚ ከምዚ ክተስርሕዎ ከለኩም
When you are doing like this,..
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ከመይ ገይርኩም ኣሰሪሕኩሞ፣
and how [you do it]
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እዚ ንምስራሕ ዘለዓዐለኩም ነገር
what motivated you ...
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እንታይ እዩ?
to do so?
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ዘለዓዐለና ነገርማ....
What motivated us?
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...እቲ ዝብለካ ዘለኩ ዳማርያም....
When I wss...
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...ዉቕሮ ዶ መፅየ ሪአ ነይረ፣
at Endamariam Wukro,
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...ደሓር እቲ ወዲ...
there was one guy
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...ክድግፍ እየ ኢሉ ነይሩ፣ እሱ ሓደ...
who promised to support us.
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75000 ቅርሺ ደጊፉእዩ።
The guy then funded us 75,000 birr. That was our initiation.
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መን እዩ?
Who is the guy?
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...እዚ ፕሮጀክት እኒሆ ኣፍቲ ፕሮጀክት እኒሆ እዚ...
He is the brother of ...
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...ናይዚ ሓዉ ወላይ ጋራዥ ዝበሃል።
the guy who owns the project over there.
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...ደሓር መፅዩ ኣብዚ ንስራሕ ኣብዚ ንስራሕ...
He and I decided with the...
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...ተባሂልና ምስቶም ገባር ነሕዉዮ እሞ...
people to mend ...
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...እዚ ንላዕሊ ሰቒልና ቆርቆሮ ንገብሮ ተባሂሉ።
the roof with ...
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...ንሱ ግን ኣየገልግለናን...
corrugated iron.
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...እዚ ኢሉ እንታይ ሓበሬታ ኣየገልግልን። ኣብዚ ኣኬባ ገይርና እቲ ህዝቢ ኣኪብና...
Then the people decided to build...
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...ኣየገልግልይ...
a rock church.
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...ሎሚ ቶንዲኖ ክባር እዩ ግዛዕ።
It is known that reenforcement is expensive,
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...ፀገም ኣሎ ነቕ ዘይብል ግን...
so rock is butter.
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....እዚ ይሕሸና ኣነ ግን ክድግፈኩም ኢሉ...
However, another guy changed our mind.
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....ሓደ 170000 ቅርሺ ሂብና።
He give us 170,000 birr.
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170000 ቅርሺ
170,000 birr?
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እወ
Yes,
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...ብዝሃበና ግን ጀሚርና።
We started with what he gave us .
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...በቃ ንሕና እዉን ካዉኡ ከዓ እዚ ገባር እዚ እዉን...
The community [helped]...
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...ባህርዛፍ ነይሩ እዩ እዚ እትሪኦ ዘለኻ።
by selling the...
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....መዓት ባህርዛፍ ነይሩ እዩ ሸይጥና።
eucalyptus trees here .
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...ወሲኽና...
Then we increased our income.
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...ካብኡ እዉን ሓደ ሓደ ሃፍታም ከምዚ ከማካትኩም።
Also, another bountiful [donor] like you supported us.
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...ዝሃበና በኣ ገይርና ንቕፅል ኣለና።
So that, we are on the way now.
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ጠቕላላ ክንደይ ቅርሺ ጀሚርኩም? 170000 ቅርሺ ንሱ ሂብኩም
He gave you 170,000 birr, didn’t he? So totally with how much money did you start?
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እእ. . .
Oh... (remembering)
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ዕንጨይቲለ ሸይጥኩሞ?
You also sold eucalyptus trees . . .
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ክንደይ ቅርሺ. . .
so how much money...?
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ሕዚ ካብቲ ይምፃእ ካብቲ...
Wherever it comes from,
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...ካብቲ እቲ ዘሎ ቅርሺ...
I have spent ...
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...ክሳብ ዘለኒ ክሳብ ኣጥፊኣዩ ዘለኩ ቅርሺ ሕዚ....
250,000 birr till now.
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...200,000...
Around 200,000...
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...250000 ቅርሺ ኣዉፂአ ኣለኹ።
250,000 birr till now.
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እወ
Ok
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...ንሳ ኣውፂኦም ዶ ኣይኮነይ ብክንደይ ጀሚርኩም ንሱ?
You spent this much money, didn’t you?
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ንሱ 170000 ቅርሺ ሂብዎም ከዚ...
And the guy gave you 170,000 birr.
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ክንጅምር ከለና ዶ?
When we started?
...ብክንደይ ጀሚርክሞ እያ እኒሃ ዛ ወግዒ?
Now with what money did you start?
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ብክንደይ ጀሚርክሞ?
Yes, with how much money did you start?
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ብ 800
With 800 birr.
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ብ 8000
I mean with 8,000 birr.
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ብ 8000?
With 8,000 birr?
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ብ 8000 እማ ኣርባዕተ ባኣርባዕተ ክልተ ሰባት ኣእቲና።
With this birr, we hired two workers at 4000 birr each.
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እወ. . . መጀመርታ ኣይኮነን ድዩ ሂብኩም 170000 ቅርሺ ዝወዲ?
OK... Didn't the guy gave you 170,000 birr first?
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እወ
Of course, ...
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መጀመርያ እባ ሂብና።
He gave us first.
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እሞ 170000 ቅርሺ ሒዝኩም ኢኩም ጀሚርክሞ እዚ ስራሕ
So you had 170,000 birr on hand when you started working?
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170000 ምስ ሓዝና....
Firstly he gave us 70,000 birr...
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...ኣይኾነን መጀመርያ 70000 ሂብና፣
...Then we started
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...ሓቀይ ዶ በተን መጀመሪ...
...And later he added...
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...ብድሕሪኡ 25000 ድዩ ግዛዕ ወሲኽና ሰዲድልና።
25,000 birr, or something like that.
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ሕዚ ናተከፋፈለ እዩ 170000 በፂሑ እኒሆ
You received the 170,000 birr at different time, right?
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እወ ናተከፈለ ናተከፈለ እቲ ድምር እየ ዘቕርቦ ዘለኹ ኣነ፣
Yes, I collected the ...
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...ሕዚ እዚ ካብኡ እቲ ወዲ...
170,000 birr at ...
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...ምስ ሃበና እዞም ሰባት ክልተ ሰባት ኣእቲና።
different intervals.
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....ከይድና እቲ ቦታ ሪኢና ብማይ ካዲ ኣስፊርና ወሲድና እቶም ሰባት...
First we visited...
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...በሉ ኣርእዩና ኢልና ሪኢና...
the place.
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...ንኣታቶም ክንደይ ሂብናዮም 8000 ቅርሺ...
From this sum, we paid 8,000 birr for two laborers.
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...80000 ቅርሺ እባ...
I mean 80,000 birr. I
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...80000 ሂብናዮም ብድሕሪኡ???
so, the guy has given you 170,000 birr at different time? ???
ሕዚ ናተከፋፈለ እዩ እቲ 170000 ቅርሺ
He gives at intervals.
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እወ
Yes.
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እወ
Yes he gave three times.
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እዚ ምስራሕ ዝጀመሮ ግደይ ድዩ? መን እዩ ምስራሕ ጀሚርዎ?
Who is doing this, Gidey?
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ግደይ እወ ።
Yes, it is he.
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ገደይ ምስ መን ኾይኑ?
With whom did he start working?
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ምሳይ
With me.
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እህ
Yes.
ክልቴኹም ኮይንኩም ኢኹም ጀሚርክምዎ?
Did you start it with both?
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እሞ በዚ 8000 ቅርሺ ክልቲኹም ዲኹም ጀሚርክምዎ ማለት ድዩ?
So you started the job with 8,000 birr?
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ሓደ እዉን ኣእቲና ነይርና ኢና ካልኣይ...
We have also one more laborer.
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እወ ንሳ እኮ እያ ሕዚ. . .
Right, that was what . . .
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ካሊእ እዉን ግደይ ዝበሃል ቆልዓ ኣእቲና ነይርና።
We also hired a man called Gidey
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ኣብ ሓዉዜን ዝሃንፅ ኣሎ ቆልዓ...
and another guy,
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..ንሱ እዉን ኣእቲና ነይርና ብሓደ ገፅ ደሓር እንታይ ኣዋጢጥና...
However, we disagreed...
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...ሜትሮ ኣእክል ኣይኣክልን።
On the meters [to be hewn out] and payments
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...ይኣክለኒ ዉሒድኒ እዩ ግዛዕ ምዛዕ ተባሂልና...
so that we sent both away.
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...እዚኦም ሰዲድናዮም ኢና ካብኡ እቶም ቆልዑት ከሺፈምዋ እታ ኣሰራርሓ...
Then the daily workers did it by themselves.
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ግደይ መን እዩ? ካብዚ ስራሕ ሓዲግዎም ከይዱ እኒሆ?
Gidey! Who? Is it the one who left the work ?
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ግደይ ሓዱሽ ሓደ ይበሃል።
His name is Gidey Hadush,
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ክልቲኦም ግደይ እዮም።ግደይ
Whereas the other is...
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ግደይ የይሽ ይበሃል ሓደ ዉናይ።
Called Gidey Yiheysh.
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ክልቲኦም ግደይ እዮም ክልቲኦም ግደይ ግን?
Both are Gidey.
ክልቲኦም ግደይ እዮም ጀሚሮም ማለት እዩ?
Both started the job, didn’t they?
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ብክንደይ ቅርሺ ጀሚሮም ኔሮም?
How much money was necessary for both to start?
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እዚኣቶም ብ 40000
They started with 40,000 birr ...
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እዚ ብ 40000 እቲ ብ 40000 ኣርባዕተ
each [to chisel out the] 4 by 4 meters...
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ኣርባዕተ ብኣርባዕተ ኣርባዕተ ሜትሮ ናብቲ
That is, 4m this way and 4m that way.
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ብ 80000 ጀሚርና ኔርና።
So they started with 80,000 birr? ???
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ብ 8000 እዮም እኮ ኢሎምኒ ነይሮም ዓንተዎ?
But you told me earlier it was 8,000 birr, isn’t that so?
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ብ 80000 እዩ ተጋግየ ዶ።
Yes, actually it was with 80,000 birr. Am I mistaken?
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80,000
80,000
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ያዉ ከምኡ ገይሮም ኣቋሪፀምዎ ማለት እዩ ዘይተስማዕማዕኩም ቀሪኹም?
So you interrupted the job that way, after you disagreed with the jobbers?
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ህእ. . .
Yes.
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እሺ
Ok . . .
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ካሊእ እንታይ እኒሆ እእ. . .
Go ahead.
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ናይዚ ቦታ እዚ እንታይ እዩ ዝበሃል ናይዚ ከባቢ እዚ ስም?
What is the name of this place?
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ማይ ወይኒ
It is called Mai-Weiny.
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ህእእ. .
እእ. . . እቲ ከባቢኡ?
No, what is the name for the surrounding area?
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እእ. . ጣብያ ከ ወረዳ?
What about its district and sub-district names?
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ሓዉዜን
Hawzen district.
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ጣብያ?
What is its sub-district?
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ሓዉዜን
It is Hawzen.
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ጣብያ?
What you told me is its district. What about its district? ???
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ጣብያማ ሰላም
oh, it’s Selam sub-district.
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ታቦት ክንደይ እኒሀኩም ኣብዚ?
How many arks of the covenant do you have here?
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ክልተ
Two.
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ክልተ እዩ።
They are two.
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ክልተ? እንታይ እንታይ?
Two? What are they?
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ኪዳነ ምህረት፣
They are St. George and ...
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ጅወርግስ
Kidanemihret (another name for St. Mary).
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እዚ ስም መን እዩ መሪፅዎ ኢሎም ይሓስቡ? እዚ ናይ ጅወርግስ ቤተ-ክርስትያን ንምዉፃእ?
Who do you think named the church; St.Kidanemihret or St. George?
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እዚ ቀደም እቶም ፃድቃናት እዮም።
Actually we don’t know ...
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...እቶም ፃድቃናት 6 ሽሕን ግዛዕና ንብሎም ዘለና...
the nominators. But orally ...
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...ንሶምስ ፈቖድኡ...
the names are given ...
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...መላእክቲ እንድዮም ነይሮም ፃድቃናት....
by the 6,666 righteousness.
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...ይስይምዎም ኔሮም ቀደም።
After drinking the...
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...እዚ ማይ ሰትዮም እንታይ ኢሎምዎ...
water here, for instance,
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...ቀልብላ ሓዉዜን ዳ ጅወርግስ ይብልዎ።
they named it Kelbila Hawzen
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ደሓር ወይ ማይ ምዃን ኢሎምዎ።
Da Giorgis (St. George).
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ኣብነት እቶም ፃድቃናት እዮም ሰየምቲ።
Then ...
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ኣፍቲ ከይዶም እዉን ከምኡ እዮም ዝገብሩ፣ ኩሉ እቶም ፃድቃናት እዮም ሰይመሞ፣
the names come into existence...
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ካብኡ ከዓ ናይ ወለዲ ሓሊፉ ናባና ከዓ ሓሊፉ እኒሆ፣
and are transferred from generation to generation.
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ከምኡ ዝፀንሐ እዩ እምበይ....
It was there.
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...ጎይታና እገለ ጎይታና መንግስቲ ገለ ኣይንፈልጥን መላእክት እዮም።
We don't know.
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እዞም ሑቡኣን እዞም ቁዱሳን ስሞም ይፈልጥዎም ዶ?
Do you know the names of those saints or righteous ones?
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ዋይ.... ክንደይ ኢለ ክፈልቶም ተዉሳኽይ ኣነ ኣይፎልጦምን።
Oh my God! They are too many; how could I know them, can I?
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ሕዚ ኣብዚ ንምስራሕ ከዚ......
When you started working, . . .
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ሕዚ ኣብዚ ንምስራሕ ለሎ...... መን እዩ ፍቃድ ዘዉፅእልኹም፣
from whom did you ...
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ካብ ምንታይ ክሰርሕ ኢልኩም ካብ መን ፍቃድ ጠይኩም ከይድኩም?
obtain permission first?
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መጀመርያ ናብ ወረዳ ቤተ ክህነት ትጽሕፍ
I applied for a paper ...
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እህ
Ok.
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ተፍቅድ፣
from the district ...
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ወረዳ ቤተ ክህነት ካኣ ናብ ዞባ ይሰደካ።
Church authorities,
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ናብ ዞባ ከይደ።
and to the regional office.
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ኣብ ወረዳ ቤተ ክህነት ፍቒዶምለይ
They give me permission.
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ማህተም ተወቒዑ እንደገና ኸይደ ኣፍቂደ
Finally they allowed us [to work]...
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ዞባ እ.ዉን ፍቒዱለይ እቲ ክልል እዉን
with a license.
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ፍቒዱለይ።
They gave me permission.
መጀመርያ ናበይ ኽይዶም?
Where did you go first?
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...መጀመርያ ናብ ወረዳ ቤተ ክህነት ዝክየድ።
I applied to the district offices.
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ናብ ምንታይ ዓዲ ማለት እዩ?
Where?
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ሓውዜን።
Hawzen.
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ወረዳ ሓውዜን ቤተ ክህነተ እኒኦ።
First, I went to the Hawzen district Church office.
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እሱ ይህበካ።
Then, they wrote to the top...
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ፈቂዱ ይፈቕዶምያ ኢሉ ናብ ላዕሊ ይጽሕፍ። ኸይደ ናብ ዓዲ-ግራት ወሲደ ኣብ ዓዲ-ግራት እዉን እቶም ....
officials in Adigrat to give us permission.
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..ኣቡን ዝባሃል ተሪኽቦም...
After that I went to Adigrat and...
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ፈሪሞም ሂቦምኒ።
The pope [bishop]showed me his willingness with a signature.
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ባዕሎም እዮም ኸይዶም ማለት ድዩ?
Did you go by yourself?
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ለሚነ እወ ባዕለይ፣
Yes, it was I.
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...ለሚንካ ኣኻኺብኻ ክትሃንፅ...
By collecting money from people ...
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...ተፈቒዱልኻ እኒኦ ወረዳኻ እዉን ፍቒዱልኻ እኒኦ፣ ዋላ ወረዳ መፂኢ ኣፈቒደ...
they gave me authorization...
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ተፈቂዱኒ።
to build
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መፂኦም ይፈልጡ ዶ እዞም ዻዻስ ናብዚ?
Has the bishop ever been here by the way?
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ይመፁ።
Yes,he did.
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ይመጹ እዮም፣ መጺኦም ነይሮም ናብዚ ማሕበር ኣብዚ ሐደ ቕመዲን ግዛዕ መጺኦም ነይሮም። I
I think he came to the Association last year.
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እንድያዉም ክርእዮ እየ ኢሎም ኣፍቲ በፂሖም ነይሮም።
Although it was difficult ...
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ኣፀጊምዎም ማኪና ንምቕራብ ሱቕ ኢሎም ከይዶም።
for his car to get here, ...
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ካሊእ ማዓልቲ ክተወስደኒ ኢኻ ኢሎምኒ።
He visited the church from a distance.
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ካልእይቲ ማዕልቲ ገና ይወዳእ እሞ ብረአና ሓደ ብኣፉ ምረቃ ኢና ክንጽዎዖም።
We had an appointment to bring him another day.
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ተስፋ ንገብር።
...I hope he will be present on the inauguration day.
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እሺ…..ኸዚ እዚ ቦታ
Well,
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ብመን እዩ ተመሪፁ?
who selected...
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እዚ ቦታ ኣብዚ ለሎ ልክኾን መን እዩ መሪፅዎ ታኣሹሙ ክትስራሕ?
the place which would be the location for the church?
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እቲ ህዝቢ ባዕሉ፣
The people themselves.
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...እቲ ገባር ኣብዚ ለሎ እማ።
There were more than 70 farmers...
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...ካብዚ ኣብዚ እኒሆ።
who lived here then ...
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እንሰርሕ ትብኡ እኒኦ ንስራሕ ኢሉ።
They preferred this ...
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...በቃ እቲ ኣብዚ ለሎ ገባር።
as the right . . .
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...እቲ ሰብዓይ ግዛዕይ ገባር ለሎ...
place for the...
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...ኣፈቃቂዱ ፍቃድ ተይቑልና ኢሉ ንዓና መልሚሉ ንዕይ መልሚሉ ኸይደ።
church. After that they ...
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ሕዝቢ እዩ ምሪጽዋ ባዓሉ ።
assigned me to facilitate the license.
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እዚ ቦታ?
This place?
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እወ
Yes.
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እዚ ኣፍቲ ልስራሕ ለሎ እባ ?
That one, which is being carved now?
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እወ
Yes,
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ኣሱ እኮ እሞ እዩ እቲ ህንጻ።
That’s the building also.
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ኮኽሒ እዚ ሲ...
And the guy told me ...
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ሓደ ትርጉም ኣለዎ እዩ።
earlier that the rock...
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ሕዚ ትወዲ።
here has its ...
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መፂኡ ነይሩ እዩ ጨወታ ግዜ ቅድም ።
own meaning.
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ሕዚ እቲ ማሕበረሰብ ኣብዚ ለሎ ድዩ ቦታ ኣፍቲኣ ትኽኖልና ኢሉ መሪጽዎ።
Are those the people who chose the place here?
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እወ
Yes,
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እሺ
Ok
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ሐዚ እቲ ወዲ።
The guy.
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እቲ ሓደ ዓይነት ክንደይ ዓይነት እምኒ እኒኣ፣ ታይ ዓይነት እምኒ እኒኦ?
How many stone...
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ክንደይ ዓይነት ኮኽሒ እኒኦ?
Types does the building consist of?
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ኢቲ ኮኽሒ እዚ?
The rock?
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ክልተ ዓይነት እዩ፣
Two .. . .
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ሓደ ፃዓዳ እዩ።
the one is white
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ዋላ ቐይሕ እዉን ኣለዎ እዩ በዝሒ ኣይኮነን እምበይ።ሕደ ቐይሕ እዩ
and red although the redness is slight.
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ሓደ ካዕ ጺሊም እምኒ እዩ።
The others are completely red and completely black.
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ሰለስተ ዕይነት እዩ እቲ ኮኽሒ።
They are of three types;
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ኣየንኡ ኣዩ ክዚ ልሕሾም ልኦኦም?
Which one do you prefer?
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ልኣና ልልስልሰና ዶ?እቲ ቐይሕ...
I think the smoothest one, isn’t it? I prefer the red one.
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እወ
Yes.
እቲ ቐይሕ ልስልስ እዩ?
Is it because the red is smooth?
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እቲ ፃዓዳ እና ፀሊም ስጡም እዩ፣ ብጥዕሚ ጠንካራ እዩ።
Yes, but both the white and black rocks are sharp and hard.
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ካብኡ እቲ ፀሊም እና ፃዓዳ ከዚ ኣየናይ ከዚ ልጥንካረ ኣየንኡ?
Which one do you ....
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ይሕሸና ልጥንካረ ኢሎኩምኒ ነይርኩም ዓንተዎ?
prefer for strength,the black or the white?
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ፀሊምን ፃዓዳይ ይህሽ ጥንካሬ እማ
Both the white...
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ንጥንካሬ ፀሊምን ፃዓዳን እዩ።
And the black rocks ...
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ነቅ ዘይብል ንቅፃላይ ጊዜ
Are very strong,
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ግልጋሎት ዘለዎ፣
Though the one is ...
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ኣቲ ዋላ ዕብየት ተሃለዎ
big and must be split.
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ሐደ ይኖትግ አዩ
The smoothest rock crumb;es.
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ኣብዚ ክትወቅእ ከለካ ።
For instance, if we’re going to...
ኣየናይ?
which one?
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እቲ ለስላሳ ቶግ ይብል እዩ። ሐዚ ሐወልቲ ክትቅርጽ ከለኻ
carve an obelisk using . . .
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እህ
Ok
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ለስላሳ እንተኽይኑ ቁርምም ኢሉ ይኸድ ይኖትግ።
smooth (red) rock; it crashes down.
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እቲ ፀሊም ግን በቲ ዝበልካዮ አዩ ዝኸይድ
But neither black nor white rocks can be broken because...
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ፃዓዳ እዉን በቲ ዝበልካዮ እዩ ዝኸይድ።
they’re strong and hard.
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ጥንካሪኡ ግን ፀሊምን ፃዓዳ ይበልፆ።
Black rocks are even harder than the white rocks.
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እቲ ኣይ ካብ ፀሊም እና ፃዓዳ ከ ኣየናይ ይሐይሽ ?
From those black and white rocks, which one do you think better?
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እቲ ፀሊም
The black rocks are of greater ...
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ግልጋሎት እማ እቲ ፀሊም ።
durability and as hard as metal.
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ፀሊም ብጥዕሚ ስጡም እዩ ግልጋሎት እውን ሓጪን ምዉዳእ እይ እዚ ኣስከርቤሎ
The only thing is that it ...
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ልጉልበት ሰራሕተኝ ተለይኮይኑ
Might be difficult for...
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ግልጋሎት አማ እሱ አዩ ልበልጽ።
...laborers and tools.
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ፀሊም እዩ ዝበልፅ።
The black one is the hardest of them all.
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እሺ
Ok
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ከዚ ክትስራሕ ተሎ
Before you started working, ...
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ካብዚ ልተናጋገርክምሉ እና
you had a discussion ...
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ምስሊ ግደይ ትነጋገሩ ተለኹም
with Gidey, yes?
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ኣብዚኣ ሎማዕንቲ ተነጋጊርኩም ምኣዝ ጀሚርዋ ምስራሕ?
How many days did it take...
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ክንደይ ማዕልቲ ወሲዱሉ ልምጅማር
him to begin after that?
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ካብዚ ምስ ተነጋገርኩም ?
After you had the discussion?
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ሓደ ሰሙን
First we met with the people ...
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ቀሪብና ኢና ተወኣኢልና
for one week and after that...
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እቶም ሰባት ምስ ብለምፃእና
we held a discussion for two days.
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እቲ ወዲ ብለምፃእና ወድያው ሲ
At the second day's meeting, Gidey ...
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ናይ ክልተ ማዕልቲ ምይይጥ ገይርና ኢና ህዝቢ ኣኪብና ኣብዚ
and other professionals were engaged [to do the work].
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ህዝቢ ኣኪብና ኣሱ እዉን መፂኡ
Gidey started after....
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እቶም ሰባት ግን ቀሪቦዮም እዮም ፀኒሖም።
the meeting ended up on Sunday.
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እቶም ኪኢላታት ቀሪበዮም ፀኒሖም። መጺእ እኒኢኹ....
He came with the experts.
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በሉ ጀምሩ ኢሉና።
Then he started the work.
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ሽዓዓ ሓንቲ ሰሙን እያ ሰንበት ማዕልቲ መኺርና።
It only takes one week ?
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ሰኒ ኢና ጅሚርናያ።
We start work on mondey ?
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እም
Ok,
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ዝወሰደና ማዓልቲስ የብልናን ሰሙን እዩ፣
It dosen't took us that much to begin.
ሰሙን እዩ።
within a week?
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ሰንበት ኣኪባ ገይርና ኣብዚኣ
We had meeting on sunday.
ሰሙን እዩ።
within a week?
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ንሱ መፂኡ ሰኒ ጅሚርናያ።
Then he came on monday. Then he started the work?
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ብናጋኣ
Did you begin on the next day?
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እወ ብናጋኣ ጅሚርናያ።
Yes.
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እሞ ሓንቲ ማዕልቲ እያ ሰሙን ኣይኮነን ወሲዱሎም?
So the meeting was not held for a week; rather it ran for one day, right?
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ሰሙን ዘረባ ነይርዎ።
Right! To inform the
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ነቲ ህዝቢ ተተኣማምን።
people, . . .
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ኣብዚ ይኩን ኣብዚ ይኩን...
we held a discussion first.
ምስኡ ልተነጋገርዎ ማዕልቲ እና ስራሕ ልጅመርሉ ማዕልቲ?
When did you talk to him and when did he start?
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,,,ልጀመርሉ እማ ሰንበት ጀሚርና።
First we made ...
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ሰኒ ጀሚሮም ንሳቶም።
a contractual agreement
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...ሰንበት ተወኣኢልና።
on Sunday
እሞ ኣብ ሓንቲ ማዓልቲ እዩ።
So it took only one day?
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እወ ተፃሃሂፍና ተፈራሪምና ምስ ኣቶም
after the discussion...
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እታ ሰኒ ጀሚሮም
Then he started on Monday.
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እዚ ቅርፂ መን ኣዩ መሪፅዎ ሀምዚ ይኩን ኢሉ እቲ ቅርፂ?
Who chose what the shapes would look like?
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ካብ ምንታይ ኣምፅእኽምዎ እቲ ቅርፂ ማለት እዩ?
And from where were these shapes copied?
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ባዕልና
Ourselves.
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ኣነይ እቶም ስባኣይ ግደይ ዝብሃሉ ከይድና።
It was myself and Mr.Gidey [who chose].
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ማይ ካዶ ወሲደዮም
We went to Mai-Kado...
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እም
Ok
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ማይ ካዶ ወሲድና ብእ ከዘራና ገይርና ሰፊርና
So that we might measure ...
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እም
Ok
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እታ ቅርፂ፣
the height, breadth and width of
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ቁመቱ ክንደይ ማይካዶ፣ ጎዱኑ ክንደይ ሜትሪኡ፣ ናብዚ ስፍሓቱ ክንደይ መቲርናያ
its sides using ...
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ከይድና ሓደ ሰንበት ማዕልቲ ከፊቶምልና
our walking sticks.
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ካብኡ ብኣኣ ትቀረጽ ኢልና
Finally, we agreed according ...
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ብኣኣ ቅርፂ ምስቶም ሰባት ተወዖዒልና
to the dimensions we measured.
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ባኣ ቅርፂ ካብ ማይ ካዶ ኢና ኣምፂናዮ
Yes . . .
ባኣ ኢኩም ካብ ማይ ካዶ ኢኹም ኣምፂኢኺምዎ?
You copied the shapes from Mai-Kado?
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እሳቶም ካብዛ ማይ ካዶ ከሰርሁልና
If they brought us the shape ...
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ንሕና ደሞ በዚኣ ቅርፂ ክንህቦም
from Mai-Kado,
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እዘን 80000 ቅርሺ ክንህብ።
we agreed that we would offer them 80,000 birr...
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ኣርባዕተ፣ክልተ በቲ ክልተ በቲ ኣኢትና 4 ሜትር እዚኦም
Not only this, but to ...
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ናብዚ ከረኩቡና እቲኣኦም እዉን ከረክቡና
work four meters.
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ካቡኡ ወዲኦም ንሳቶም እንድያዉም ወርሒ ደዉ ኣየበልዎን ኣብ ወርሒ እዮም ወዲኦምዎ።
Fortunately, they finished ...
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ወርሒ ወዲኦም እወ
earlier by a month...
ስለዚ ካብ ማይ ካዶ ኢኺም ወሲድኽምዎ ኣቲ ቅርፂ?
So you imitated it from Mai-Kado?
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ካብ ማይ ካዶ
Yes, it is from Mai-Kado.
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እሺ ስራሕ ትስራሕ ተሎ ክዚ...
Well, when do you work?
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ማዓዝ ማዓዝ እዩ ዝስራሕ?
What I mean is what times, . . .
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ማዓዝ ማዓዝ ዝብለኩም ከለኩ? ወቅቲ እኒኦዎ ዶ ተቃርፅሉ ወቅቲ?
of day and seasons do you work?
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ኣይነቓርፅን ሰኒ ጀሚርና ሰሉስ፣ረቡዕ፣ ዓርቢ ክሳብ ዓርቢ ንሰርሕ ኢና ።
We don’t get any rest; we work five days out of the week.
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ግን ተቃሪፅና ታይ ነቃርፅ መስለካ ገንዘብ ተሲኢና ደዉ ኢና ንበል ኣብ መንጎ
Unless we run out of money,
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እንተ ኣግኒና ግን ኣይነቃርፅን ዋላ ምሉእ ክረምቲ
We even work in the...
እህ
Ok.
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ይሰራሑ እቶም ቆለዑት
Winter (summer in Ethiopia).
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ማዕዝ እዩ ዕረፍቶም ኣብ ሰሙን ክንደይ ማዕልቲ የዕርፍ?
So, when do you take a break?
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ቀዳምን ሰንበተን በስተቀር።
Only on the weekends.
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ቀዳምን ሰንበተን ኣይሰርሑን?
You don’t work on the weekends?
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በቃ እሳ ኣይሰርሑን።
Yes, of course [not].
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ስዓት ኣብ ማዕልቲ ክንደይ ስዓት ይሰርሑ?
For how many hours do the laborers work daily?
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ዋይ……ስዓት እማ ንጉሆ ስዓት ሃደ ያትዉ
They start at 7:00 am...
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ስዓት ኣሰርተ ሃደ ይፍደሱ
and are released at 5:00 pm.
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ሃንቲ ስዓት እኒኣቶም ናይ ምሳሕ ግዜ
There will be . . .
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ስዓት ሽዱሽተ ይዓርፉ።
a one-hour lunch time ...
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በቃ እቶም ቆለዑ ስብ ናይ ስለ ዝኮኑ ስዓት ኣይቆፃፀሩናይ።
break in between.
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ደቂ እዚ ቁሸት እዮም ናይ ባዕሎም እንድዩ እቲ ታዎት እዉን
That is it.
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እቲ ገንዘብ እዉን ናይ ባዕላቶም ስዓት እይቆፃፀሩን ብስሩ።
But there is no ....
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ሱቅ ኢሎም ከም ልቦም ኣጥፊኦም እዮም ልሰርሑ።
restricted time.
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ስለዚ ትሽዓንተ ስዓት እዮም ልሰርሑ ለለዉ ማለት እዩ?
So they effectively ...
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እወ
Ok.
እንድሕር ሓድ ስዓት ልዕርፉ ኮይኖም?
work for 9 hours a day, isn’t it so?
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ከዚ ክንደይ እኒኦዉ ልሰርሑ ኣብዚ?
How many workers are here now?
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እቶም ልሙዳት ልነበሩ ሐዚ ብዕቀባ ሓመድ ሳላሳ ማዕልቲ ይግደብ እንድዩ።
Though here are lots of laborers supporting us in water and soil conservation,
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ክንዲ ግድብ ይሑጉዝና ኣለዉ ሐዚ።
the original workmen are those who have been involved in the ordinary work.
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እቶም ጭቡጣት ዝኮኑ ። ሎማዕንቲ?
Today?
ክንደይ ሰባት ኣለዉ ሐዚ ኣብ ውሽጢ ልሰርሑ ዘለዉ ሕዚ ክንደይ ሰባት ኣለዉ?
How many workers are now with you?
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እወ
Yes.
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ሎሚ
Now at this time...
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ሎሚ ዳኣከባቢ ሽድሽተ ሽውዓተ ሸሞንተ ሸሞንተ ሰብ እኒሂዉና፣
there are around eight laborers today.
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እወ
Yes.
ኣብ ዉሽጢ እኒኦዉ ሸሞንተ?
Are there eight inside?
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ስሞም ዶ ክነጉርና ይክእሉ?
Could you tell us their names?
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ይፈልጦም እወ።
Why not, yes.
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እወ ገረቻኣል ኣብርሃ፣
Gerechael Abraha,
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መን መን?
Tell me there names?
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ገረቻኣል ኣብርሃ ሓደ፣
Gerechael Abraha,
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ገረቻኣል ኣብርሃ፣
Gerechael Abraha
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ፍረሂወት መን?
what is his father name?
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ግርማይ፣
Girmay
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ፍረሂወት ግርማይ፣
Firehiwet girmay.
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ገ/ጻድቃን ተኽላይ፣
Gebrekidan Teklay,
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ቀሺ ገ/ሚካኤል፣
Priest G/Michael,
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ብርሃነ ሃጎስ፣
Birhane Hagos
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ብርሃነ ግርማይ፣
Birhane Girmay
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እሽ
and
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ኣረጋዊ በርሀ፣
Aregawi Berhe
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ሃይላይ ኣብርሃ፣
and Hailay Abraha.
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እዚኣቶም እዮም?
Did you take this ...
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እዚ ስራሕ እዚ ብኩንትራት ድዮም ወሲዶምዎ ወይስ ብፍቃደኝነት እዮም ይሰርሑ አለዉ?
work by contract or voluntarily?
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ብማዓልቲ እያ።
It is daily.
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ብማዕልቲ እያ?
It is daily?
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ብማዓልቲ እያ ኮንትራት የለን
Yes, there is no contract.
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እዞም ሰራሕተኛታት ኣብዚ ድዮም እዞም ማዓልታዊ ሰርሓተኛታት
Do all the laborers live here or...
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ኣብዚ ድዮም ልነብሩ ወይስ ካብ ካሊእ ዓዲ ልምፁ እኒኦዉ እዮም?
do they come from somewhere else?
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ኣብዚ እዮም ኣብዚ እዮም
All are from here.
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ሐዚ ስራሕ መብዛሕቲ ታይ እዩ? መብዛሕቲ ኣብ ምንታይ ለቶኮረ እዩ?
Now, what is your work mostly focused on?
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ኣብ ምንታይ ለቶኮረ ….
Its focus?
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ኣብቲ ህንጻ…..
In the building?
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እህህ
Ok.
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ኣብ ህንጻ እምበይ ታይ ምቱኳር እኒኦዎ ካሊእ።
What kind of focus does it need? I don't understand [the question].
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ኣብ ምፍሕር ለተኳረ ድዩ ሐዚ?
Your focus is on digging now, isn’t it?
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እወ
Oh yes,
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ኣብ ምንዳል ኣብ ምንዳል ለተኮረ እባ።
Our focus is on chiseling.
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ምንዳል እዩ ዝብሃል ምፍሕር እማ እቲ ሕመድ ምዉጻእ እዩ።
It is called chiseling ...
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እሱ እቲ ገባር ከዉጻኦ እዩ ቀስ ኢሉ።
Not digging. Digging ...
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ኣብ ባኣል እቲ ገባር ምስ ስብኣይ ሰበይቲ እሞ...
...is when you...
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...ኩሉ የውፅዖ መጋፍያ ሒዙ።
take away...
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...እቲ ሕመድ ይፀርጎ እዩ።
the soil,
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...እዚኦም ሃመድ ኣይፀርጉይ።
and it is done by the community members. . .
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...እቲ ስራሕቶም ግን ኣብ ምትኳር ኣብ ምንዳል ኣዩ።
themselves, not by the laborers.
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ሐዚ ናይ ስራሕ ኣፈላላዮም ታይ እዩ ሐዚ ናብዚ ኣትዮም ለሎ?
What is the job difference between the workers here?
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ከመይ ኣፈላላይ....?
What difference?
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...ከም ዓቕሞም ።
It just depends upon their capacity.
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ከም ዓቕሞም ማለት?
What do you mean by their capacity?
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ዓቕሞም ንበል ዶ?
That’s to say their capability.
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ሐዚ ሰንቲ ሜትር ኢኒኤልካ....
For instance, a clever (hard working) ...
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...እቲ ጅግና ልኮነ...
person can work 30 cm...
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...ክልት ሰንቲ ሜትር ሰለስተ ሰንቲ ሜትር የሐልፍ እዩ።
A day while others work 2 ...
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ሳላሳ ሰንቲ ሜትር እዉን ይበጽሕ አዩ።
or 3 centimeters.
ሐዚ ኣይኮነን
I don’t mean that.
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ንሱ ኣይኮንኩን ዝብለኩም ለለኩ
I don’t mean that.
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ታይ ዳ ኣ?
So what?
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እቲ ጎበዝ ልበሃል ታይ ይሰርሕ?
What [types of work do the] clever workers ...
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እቲ ጎበዝ ልብሃል እማ ይቕርጽ ዓምዲ
The clever worker will be...
እቲ ዳሕና ልብሃል ከ?
and the moderate ones do?
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እእ
Okay.
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ኣፈ ጽዮን ካዓ እንኦ ላኣላይ
Assigned to carve ...
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እሱ ይቀርፅ
The pillars...
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እቲ ጎበዝ ልብሃል።
The expert
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ይቶኩም
makes it smooth...
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እቲ ኣፈ ጽዮን ሀምዚ ልበለ እዩ ጎላዉ ከምዚ ይገብሮ
The expert does like that.
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እወ
Yeah.
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እቲኣቶም በቲ ይከድ።
The daily labours work on the other side.
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ንሱ ከምዚ ገይሩ ዝሓወልቲ እዚኣ ካዓ ከምዚ ገይሩ ይተኩም
The expert worsk to make it straight and smooth.
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በታ እወ
Yes
ንሱ እቲ ጎበዝ ዝባሃል ማለት እዩ?
Expert means the one who is a hard worker?
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እሱ እዩ እቲ ቀዳማይ ንብሎ ሐዚ
Yes, the hard worker.
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ጎበዝ ዝባሃል ገረችኤል እዩ
And his name is GERECHAL.
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ፍሊይ ልበለ ስም እኒኦዋ ዶ እዚ ልቅርጽ እዛ
Is there any special name given
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ቀስተ ደመና ገይሩ ልሰርሓ ገለ ስም እንኤዎ ዶ?
for the person who ...
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ውይስ ኩሉ ሀምኡ ሰራሒ እዩ?
carves the rainbow...
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ኽሊእ ፍሊይ ልበለ ሽም እኒኦዎ ዶ?
or are they all the same?
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እቲ ወዲ ዶ?
The expert?
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እወ
Yes.
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እቲ ቆልኣ ዲካ ድሊካ?
Whom do you mean, the expert?
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ስሙ እይኮነን ልብለኩም ለለኹ፣
Yes, I don’t mean his real name
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ሀምዚ ጎበዝ ሰራሕተኛ መጸወዒ እኒኦዎ ዶ?
What I ask is,
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እወ
Yes.
ወይስ ሱቁ ኢሉ ሰራሒ እዩ ዝባሓል?
does he have a name [implying the type of work he does]?
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ሰራሒ እዩ ሱቅ ኢሉ ንሱ
They are commonly called workers, no particular name.
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እምበይ ፍሉይ ሽም የብሉይ?
They don't have any special name?
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ስም የብሉይ
No, not at all.
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ካበይ እዩ አግንይዎ ከመይ ገይሩ ይፈልጦ ከመይ?
Where did the boy get the experience?
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ልምዲ ካምንታይ ኣግንይዎ ማለት እዩ እዚ ኸምኡ ዝስርሕ?
How did he become expert?
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እቲ ቆልዓ ይንደቅ እዩ መንደቐ
He was simply a mason...
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ሚኒባሎ ታይ እዩ ዝባሃል ሃናፂ
Before joining with Gidey.
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ይንዳቅ ነይሩ
He learnt and imitated from...
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ኪኢላ እዩ
Gidey then he carved the four
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እምኒ ሕምዚ ይንዳቕ እዩ
Meters after that...
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ካብኡ እዚ ካብዞም ሰባኣይ እዚኦም ምልኣተወ ኣብተን መጀመርያ
He become a,,.
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ኣርባዓተ ሜትሮ ምልኣተወ ግን ባእሉ ክሺፍዎ
Clever craftsman.
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እታ ኣሰራርሓስ ቀዲሕዎ
He copied how ...
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ካብኡ ቀዲሑ ሒዝዎ
The work is done from GIDEY.
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ሕዚ ጎበዝ እንብሎ ንሱ እዩ ሕዚ
So,He became expert.
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ካብ ግደይ የሀይሽ ስለ ዝቀድሃ
Yes.He copied from GIDEY YIHEYSH.
ግደይ የሀይሽ?
Dose he copy from GIDEY.
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ሕዚ ጎበዝ ሐዚ ናታ ናታቶም ቅዲ ምስሓዛ
So he is a cleaver boy.
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ንማኣልቲ ማኣልቲ ሕዚ ምራያ እናበልና እናሸለምና ንህቦ።
And we give him a prize.
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ንሱ እዩ ጎበዝ
So he is the expert now.
እሀ
Ok
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እተን ዓምድታት ልቀርፀን ሐዚ ንሱ እዩ።
All these pillars are carved by him.
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እሺ
Ok
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ንገሮ ክደግም እየ ፅናሕ በሎ
Tell him to stop.
አበይ ኢና ነይርና እቲ ጥያቂ ከ?|
Where did we stop the question ?
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መን እእዮም እቶም ጎበዛት ዝብል?
About who is the expert?
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ንሶም ከ ክሰርሕዎ ይክእሉ ዶ ዝ ቀስተ ደመና
What about you? Can you carve the rainbow?
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መን
Who?
ንሶም
You.
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ኣነ
Me,
Yeah
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ብጉያ
quickly.
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ይሰርሕዎ እዮም።
You can carve it, can’t you?
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ይሰርሖ እወ ደኺመ እምበይ...
Yes, but I am old
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...ኣሪገ
and tired now.
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እህ
Okay.
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እሺ
All right . . .
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መዕቀኒ እንታይ እንታይ ኢኩም ትጥቀሙ?
what tools do you use for measuring?
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ኸመይ
How do you mean?
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መዐቀኒ?
Measuring tools?
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መዐቀኒ እንታይ?
To measure what?
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መዐቀኒ እማ ቁመት።
To measure height.
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እህም...
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ንላዕላይ?
Ok, to the top?
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ንማንኛው እንታይ ኢኩም ትጥቅሙ መዐቀኒ?
Any way, what measuring tools do you use?
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ሜትሮ።
A meter.
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ሜትሮ ኢኩም ትጥቀሙ?
You use a meter?
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ሜትሮ ኩሉ ጊዜ ንግብር ዳሓር እታ ውይ ሽንጣር
Mostly we measure ...
ኩሉ ግዜ ዲኹም?
Do you always use a meter?
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ዕንጨይቲ ንቖርፅ ብታ ሜትሮ ንልክዓ
with a meter, but in case we forget [to bring]...
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ኩሉሻዓ ሜትሮ እንተለይ ኣምፃና
a meter, or lose it, we have ...
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ብታሽንጣር ባኣ ንዕቅን
A stick meter that we ...
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ብኣ እናሰፈርና ብኣ ንኽዳ
prepared as a backup.
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ንእምታ እሞ
So we sometimes use....
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ብኢድና ግይርና ንዕቅና
this stick meter in such cases.
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ኩሉ ጊዜ ብዕንጨይቲ ዲኩም ትጥቀሙ ወይስ ሓደ ሓደ ግዜ ለ
You use sticks or...
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ከም ገመድ ገለ ትጥቀሙ ኢኩም?
... A rope sometimes?
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ብገመድ እማ እንጥቀም
Of course, we also use ropes.
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ሓደ ሓደ ግዜ ለ?
What do you do with the ropes?
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ገመድ እታ ሽልል ሕዚ ታ ሸለልከምዚኣ ገይርካ እምኒ ታኣስር እሞ
We tie the stone at the edge...
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እህ
Ok
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ሽልል ተብላ ኣፀጊዕካ
with the rope then ...
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እታ መንደቅ እንተሒዛታ
We release it at the top of the building ...
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እዚኣ ተቃኒኣ ተወሪዳ ሰተት ኢላ ኣላ በቃ ኣብዚ ወገን ተፈንዲኣ ተሒዛ።
so that it falls straight and is in contact with the building.
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ነብላ ብገመድ ሽልል ንኣስር ኢና ከምዚኣ ንኣስር እምኒ...
Then, after, we know....
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...እምኒ ዶ ታኣስራ ክንብልብሎ እምኒ...
how straight ...
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...ብታ ገመድ ተወርዳ ከምዚኣ ገይርካ...
the flattened rocks are.
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...ዳሓር እንተሒዛታ ትሓዘት ተዐርያ።
Otherwise you do it again and again.
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አ እስኪ ሐዚ
Now...
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ቁመቱ ኸመይ ክንደይ ቑመት ይኾን ?
How long should it be?
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ቑመቱ
The height?
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5
Five.
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5 ሜትሮ
Five meters.
ክንደይ 5 ሜትሮ?
Five meters?
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ጎኑ? ስፍሓቱ ኸ?
What about its breadth and sides?
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ጎኑ እንተ ኽኢልና
It depends on our capacity.
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20 ንገብሮ ኢና ከም ዓቅምና እዩ ንሱ
We hoped to make the...
ላምንታይ 20
In which direction do you go 20m?
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ልልየው ልጎኒ
sides 20m wide if we could.
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ሰሜን ደቡብ ዝብል
[That would be] to north and south for the sides,
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ልልየው ልጎኒ ማለት እዩ ንምዕራብ ምብራቅ ልብል
Whereas the height...
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ኣብ ቁመቱ እዩ ናብዚ እዩ
is to east and west.
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እሱኸ ክንደይ እዩ ምብራቅ ምዕራብ?
How about that? How long is [the distance] to east and west?
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ንሱ 18 ኣኪሉ ኣሎ
It’s already 18 meters now.
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18 ሜትሮ ኣኪሉ ኣሎ
18 meters,
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ሕዚ ንሕና ንደልዮ ግን ንንየዎ
...But we need to make it 20 meters.
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20 ሜትሮ እውን ክንቅፅል ኢና ዓቅሚ ተረኺብና
And we’ll keep working
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እወ
Yes.
ካብ ምብራቅ ምዕራብ 18 ሜትር ኮይኑ ዘሎ
Is that from east to west direction?
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24 ሜትሮ ክንገብሮ ኢና እናበልኩም ዝነበርኩም
For which one did you...
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ኣየንኡ እዩ ክኮን?
think previously to make 24...
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ኸዚ እቲ ኣንተዎ 24ሜትሮ ክኾን አዩ እናተባሃለ ልነበረ
meters?
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ትልየው።
The question...
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ትልየው አማ እንታይ ዓንተዎ ኣቦይ ክጥየቑ ተለዉ...
I was being asked before was
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...ፕላን ኣለኩም ዶ? ዝብል ነይሩ
if we’ll have a plan or not,
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...ፕላን ኣለና እዩ ምስቲ ወዲ ኣውፂኢና ኢና።
but now we have the plan.
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እሕ
Uh huh.
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...ምስቲ ኪኢላ ክየ ልሕግዘና።
The experienced person helped us . . .
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...ምስኡ ፕላን ኣውፂና ኢና ክንደይ ኢና ፕላን ኣውፂና።
and we made a plan.
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...12 ዓምዲስ ናይ ግድን ክግበር እዩ።
For sure you have to use twelve pillars.
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12 ዓምዲ ኣብ ውሽጢስ ክግበር እዩ።
You have to place twelve pillars inside.
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እሕ
Uh huh.
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ሕዚ ክከድ ከሎ...
Now, when it reaches this point
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20 ልየ ክበፅሕ እዩ።
we will have reached twenty meters.
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...እዚ ፕላን እዚ ካኣ...
This plan . . .
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...ማዓዝ ይስራሕ እንታይልካ ከም ዓቅምና እዩ።
when we are going to work is up to us.
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....ገንዘብ እንተ ሲኢንካ ደው ኢካ ትብል እምበይ እቲ ፕላን ወፂኡ ኣዩ።
The only thing we need in order to have 12 pillars which run 20 meters, is money.
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...ክሻብ 12ተ...
By the time there are twelve,
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...ዓምዲ ከብፅሓ ኢሉ እዩ እቲ ወዲ እውን...
the pillars should reach this point.
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ንሱኩም እውን ለምኑ ንሱኩም እውን ለምኑ ኣነ እውን ክልምን እየ።
The donor told us to raise funds from the people and he will help them to do so.
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...ክድግፈኩም እየ ኣብ ዘግነክዎ ግዜ ።
He said "I'm going to help you when you raise the money."
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...12 ዓምዲ እዩ ክወፅእ እቲ ፕላኑ ።
The plan should work out at twelve pillars.
ስለዚ ትፕላን 12 ዓምዲ እዩ ማለት እዩ ።
So the plan is for the church to have 12 pillars, right?
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...ከመይ እዮም ዞም እዞም ዓምዲታት ክዚ ።
How are the pillars arranged.
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....ኣርባዓተ ኣርባዓተ ኣርባዓተ ድዮም ወይስ...
No, what I mean is do you set the pillars in a group of three or four?
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ሰለስተ ሰለስተ ብ ኣርባዓተ ድዮም ዝቅፅሉ? ሐመይ እዮም ልቅፅሉ?
How do they continue . . . by three, four ...?
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...ክልተ ብ ክልተ ብ ክልተ ሜትሮ ሕዚ...
What we do is two by two meters.
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...ከመይ ኢና ንገብሮ ዘለና።
This is how we do it.
የኮነይ ሕዚ ...
No . . .
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....ዝብሎም ዘለኩ ከመይ ድየ መሲልዎም ....
what I mean is do you set the pillars in a group of three or four?
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...እቲ ዓምዲ ሲኢ ክስራሕ ከሎ...
When the pillar is made . . .
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...ብዚ ሃደ ክልተ ሰለስተ ኣርባዓት ድዩ ወይስ...
does it continue by one or two
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...ሃደ ክልተ ሰለስተ፣ሃደ ክልተ ሰለስተ፣ሃደ ክልተ ሰለስተ፣ እናበለ ኣዩ ክከድ ?
or three or four
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ከምኡ እናበለ እዩ ዝኸድ ኸዚ ኣብዙይ ሓደ ንብል ኢና ።
We set one pillar ...
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እወ
Yes
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ኣብቱይ እውን ሓደ ንብል ኢና።
here and another pillar there.
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ኣፈላላይ ታይ ንገብሮ ግን ኣብ ማእኸል...
However, we provide...
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...2 ሜትሮ...
a distance of two meters ...
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...ብክልተ ሜትሮ ንቆርፆ።
in between.
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እወ
Ok.
ኣብ ሓንቲ መእተይት ክንደይ ዓምዲ እኔዋ ?
How many pillars exist on one entrance way?
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ኣብ ሓንቲ መእተይት እማ ...
Four pillars in each door.
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...ኣብቲ ሓንቲ ኣፍደገ...
In that entry . . .
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ኣርባዓተ ኣለዋ ።
there are four.
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እወ ንሳ እየ ጠይቀዮም አነ።
That's right; I asked them.
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ኣብቲ ሓንቲ ኣርባዓተ ኣለዋ።
In that place . . .
እወ
Yes.
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ኣብታ ሓንቲ እለ ኣርባዓተ ኣለዋ ኣብ ሰለስቲ ኢን መደብ...
there are four in each group of three.
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...ኣብ ሰለስቲ ኢን መደብ ኣርባዓተ ኣርባዓተ ኣለዋ ትድምሮ...
There are twelve pillars, aren’t there?
ኣርባዓተ ኣርባዓተ ....
Four by four.
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...ደምሮ...
If you calculate them
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ዓሰርተ ክልተ ይኮና ኣለዋ።
in total there will be twelve pillars
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በበይ እዮም ክዚ እዞም ኣርባዓተ ብሰሜን ናብ ደቡብ ድዮም ?
Where do the four pillars go?
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ካብ ምብራቅ ናብ ምዕራብ
Are they from North to East or West to East?
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ናብ ኩሉ እዮም ዝከዱ እዚኦም ....
The pillars run to all directions.
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...ልልይው እውን ይከዱ እዮም።
They go this way
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...ላብዚ እውን ይኸዱ እዮም ።
and they go that way
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ወይ ተር ኢሎም ይመፅኡ።
or they come as a line
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...ክምብራቕ።
from the east.
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ብምንታይ እየን እኔዋ ትኣት ከለኻ እዝቤተክርስትያን ኸዚ...
If so . . .
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...ብኹሉ ተኾይኖም ብዚ ኣርባዓተ ብዚ ኣርባዓተ....
there will be 16 pillars.
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...እንተኮይኑ እማ ኣሰርተ ሽድሽተ እዩ ዝኾን ።
Is that the case?
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...ተረዲዒዎም ድዩ ኣብሃላይ....
Do you understand me?
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እወ
Yes
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ስለዚ ብዚኣ ኣርባዓተ እንተኮይኑ....
So, if here are four,
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ናብዚ ድያ ኣርባዓተ ወይስ ናብዚ እዩ ልስርሕ ለሎ እዚ ኣርባዓተ።
in which direction do these four run?
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ምእራብ ምፅዳቕ
West and East.
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ካብ ምብራቕ ናብ ምዕራብ
From West to East?
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ናብ ምዕራብ እዩ ዝኸይድ ምክንያቱም....
They run toward the West. Why?
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...ኣብዚ ጎኒ እውን ኣሎ እዩ ዓምዲ ትቑ ፀር ...
Because the pillar which....
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...እቲ አብጎኒ ኩመል ተሒዙ ለሎ ኸምዚ ኢሉ እውን ዓምዲ እዩ ተቖሪፁ ዶለ ወሰን ወሰን...
face West are running . . .
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እወ
Yes.
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...ከዚ ሰሜን ን ደቡብ ዶ ዝጥምት ዶይ እኒኦይ....
from East, so [also are those to the] ...
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...ንሱውን ዓምዲ እዩ ዝቁፀር....
south running from the north.
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ስለዚ ዝ ኣርባዕተሲ ናብ ምንታይ እዩ ልኸድ ካብ ምዕራብ ናብ ምብራቅ እዩ ልኸድ አሎ>
So, these four pillars run from west to east?
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...ዓርብእቲኡ ትቛሚ ኣብ ውሽጢ ማኣከል ለሎ....
Yes, the four pillars . . .
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...ካብ ምብራቕ ንምዕራብ እዩ።
inside run from west to east.
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በቃ እሳ እያ እዛ መልሲ
Yes, that’s all?
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እም
Yes.
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ሕዚ ሓቁ እዩ ንሱ ከመይ ድዩ ዝብሎም ዘሎ ንሱ ኣርባዓተ...
If so,
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...ኣርባዓተ ዓምዲ እዚ ኣርባዓተ ዓምዲ ካብ ምብራቅ ናብ ምዕራብ ክከይድ እንድሕር ተኾይኑ...
what about the 24 meter length?
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...እቲ ቑመት ኸ 24 ሜትሮ ናብ ምንታይ እዩ ካብ ሰሜን ናብ ደቡብ ድዩ ልኸዳ ለሎ?
Does it run from north to south?
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እወ
Yes
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ካብ ሰሜን ናብ ደቡብ ልክዶ ንሱ 24 ንብሎ ዘለና እማ....
The 24 meters is [the measure] of the pillars ...
ኣዚ 24 ሜትሮ ድዮ?
Is this 24 meters?
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....ካብ ሰሜን ናብ ደቡብ እዩ ልኸድ ልክየው።
going from north to south.
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...እንኤዎ እዩ ካሊእ ዓምዲ ተቖፃራይ እዩ እት ወሰን እኒኦ ዝብለካ ለለኩ ።
The 24 meters is of the pillars going from north to south.
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...ብዚ ገፅ ኣለና ዶ...
On this side
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...ብዚ ድማ ንክየዎ።
and on the other side.
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ስለ ናብ ካሊእ ንከይድ ዘለና እጅኮ እዩ።
Because you are working the other way,
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እቲ መልሲ ለ ናብ ካሊእ ዘዛብለና ዘሎ።
the result is not even.
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ታትክከለኛ መልሲ እማ ኣሕፅር ኣቢልና ንመልሳ....
The correct answer we give briefly.
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ንሳ
It . . . .
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...እንድሕርከዚ 12 ሜትሮ ካብ ሰሜን ናብ ደቡብ ዝከይድ እንተኮይኑ...
If the twelve meters go from north to south,
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...ካብ ምብራቅ ናብ ምዕራብ 24 ዝወስድ እንድሕር ኮይኑስ...
And if from east to west takes twenty four,
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....ኣየኑኡ እዩማ እቲ ነዊሕ እንተኮይኑ እቲ ነዊሕ ኣይኮነን ድዩ ኣርባዓተ ዓምዲ ክሕልዮ ዝግብዖ ዝነበረ ?
which one is longer and why is it not longer because it has four pillars.
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እቲ እዩ ዝነውሕ
That one is longer
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እቲ ክየው ሓደ ቅኒ ማሓሌት ኢልናዮ እኒሂና
The further one we call qene malet.
ኣየናይ?
Which one?
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እሱ ኣይኮነን ናብኡ ኣይኮንናን ከዚኣቲና እኒሄና....
It's not that one.
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ንሕና ዝበልና ሐዚ 18 ሜትሮ ኣየንኡ እዩ?
We are saying, which one is 18 m?
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18 ሜትሮ እማ ንንየው እዩ 18 ንምብራቅ ንምዕራብ እዩ እኒኦ...
The 18 meters runs east and west.
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...ሐዚ እኒኦ እዩ።
That one....
ንምብራቅ ንምዕራብ
To east or west?
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እቲ ዝውስክ ግን ንንየው እዩ ዝቅፅል እኒኦ...
will continue....
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...እቲ ዓምዲ ንየው እዩ ንሰሜን ደቡብ እዩ ዝከይድ ዘሎ።
The pillars continue north and south.
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እቲ ግፍሓት ናበይ ይከይድ ኣሎ እንተይልካ ንንየው
If you ask where the big one is going
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ንንየው እዩ ዝከድ
it goes that way.
ስለዚ
Then,
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ክዚ ካብ ሰሚን ናብ ደቡብ እዩ?
So the four pillars run from North to South?
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እወ እወ።
Yes, yes.
እቲ ዓምዲ ዝግብኦ ማለት እዩ ኣርባእተ ዓምድ ካብ ሰሚን ናብ ደቡብ እዩ ?
There should be four pillars from north to south.
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እወ ናብኡ እዩ ለግፍሕ...
Yes, it widens like that.
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ከምኡ እዩ ዝመልሲ ሲ...
I like the short answer.
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...ስቅ ኢልና ተብሎ ተለና ስለንከድ ዘለና እና
We are just continuing.
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ቅንጆ
Beautiful
ሐዚ አ
Now . . .
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ከመይ ገ
How?
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መዳያይብ ከ ክህልዮ ድዩ?
Would there be steps to climb?
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እዚ ደረጃ
The steps.
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ኣይድልዮይ ደርጃ
I don’t think it needs them.
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ኣየድልዮይ
It's not necessary.
ምንም ደርጃ ኣይትገብሩሉይ
Won’t you make any steps?
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ሓመድ እዮ ደርጃና
The sand we dug out serves us as a ladder.
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ይኮነየ
No.
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ምስ ወዳኣኩም ልቤተክርስትያን እማ ናብዚ መደየቢ
No, I mean the steps which pilgrims, priests or deacons use in order to get into or out of the church.
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ኣብ ኣፍ ደገ ዶ?
At the doorway?
ኸምዚ መደያየቢ ናብዚ
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እወ
Yes.
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ኣብ ኣፍ ደገ እማ ኣለዎ።
Yes it has.
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እቲ ሓመድ ፀሪግና...
By cleaning the slag.
ክሕልዮ እዩ?
it will?
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እወ
Yeah.
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...መደያየቢ ማ ሰለስተ ዕርከን ከምዚ ከምዚ ገይርካ...
After we remove the sand, ...
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...ክወፅኦ እዩ መደየቢ...
we will make steps ...
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...ሰለስተ ዕርከን ይወፆ።
...having three stages.
ክንደይ ማለት እዩ?
How much?
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ኣበይ ማለት እዩ?
Where?
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...ኣብቲ ኣፍደገ ክልቲኡ ኣፍደገ።
At the two entrances.
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...ኣብ ክልቲኡ መእተይ ኣፍደገ።
At the two entrances that way.
ኣብ መእተይ
Where are they?
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ዝግ ትብለሉ።
To go down to enter ...
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...እንደገና ኻዓ ወሸን ኢልካ ደይብካ።
and up to the outside.
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ሰለስተ ይድልዮ።
It needs three steps.
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ክቅረፅ እዩ ስሂብካ እቲ ሓመድ ፍሒርካ።
but the third...
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ካብኡ ፈፊሂርካ ትድይብ።
entrance is yet ...
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ትቀርፅ ኣብኡ።
to be carved.
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ኣብዚ ውሽጢ ከ ኣብዚ ናብ መቅደስ መእተይ ከ
What about the entrance to the sanctuary?
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ሓደ ኣለዎ።
It also has one...
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ዕርከን አሎ ኣብኡ እውን....
dtep to climb.
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...ኣብታ መቅደስ መእተዊ እውን።
It also has [steps to] the MEKDES.
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ክልተ፣ሰለስተ እኒኢዋ....
Three.
ክንደይ መደያየቢ እኒኢዋ
How many steps?
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....ሰለስተ፣እቶም ካሕናት ክድይቡ ናብ በተ-እግዛቢሔር ምስጋና ከቅርቡ...
The priests use these steps ...
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...ናብ መንበረ ታቦት...
to reach the ark of ...
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...ሰለስተ እርከን ይወፆ ኣብኡ ኻዓ...
the covenant and pray on it.
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እዞም ሰለስተ መደያየቢ እንታይ ዝውስኑ?
What do the three steps imply?
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ታይ ይገልፁ?
Or what do they indicate?
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እሳቶም ልገልፅዎ ዶ?
The steps imply...